Tuesday, April 24, 2012

"The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation"

This anonymous letter landed in my inbox about a minute ago:
Hello,

After more than 20 years, I've finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed in 1991, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music, and ultimately American society. I have struggled for a long time weighing the pros and cons of making this story public as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I've simply decided to leave out names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were, like me, dragged into something they weren't ready for.

Between the late 80's and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen.

The meeting was held at a private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about 25 to 30 people being there, most of them familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about the theme of the meeting as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn't seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting. Needless to say, this intrigued and in some cases disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long but very clear on the matter and consequences which stated that violating the terms would result in job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and the reason for such secrecy but couldn't find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign and walked out. No one stopped them. I was tempted to follow but curiosity got the best of me. A man who was part of the “unfamiliar” group collected the agreements from us.

Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn't the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn't dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off.

A million things were going through my mind as I drove away and I eventually decided to pull over and park on a side street in order to collect my thoughts. I replayed everything in my mind repeatedly and it all seemed very surreal to me. I was angry with myself for not having taken a more active role in questioning what had been presented to us. I'd like to believe the shock of it all is what suspended my better nature. After what seemed like an eternity, I was able to calm myself enough to make it home. I didn't talk or call anyone that night. The next day back at the office, I was visibly out of it but blamed it on being under the weather. No one else in my department had been invited to the meeting and I felt a sense of guilt for not being able to share what I had witnessed. I thought about contacting the 3 others who wear kicked out of the house but I didn't remember their names and thought that tracking them down would probably bring unwanted attention. I considered speaking out publicly at the risk of losing my job but I realized I’d probably be jeopardizing more than my job and I wasn't willing to risk anything happening to my family. I thought about those men with guns and wondered who they were? I had been told that this was bigger than the music business and all I could do was let my imagination run free. There were no answers and no one to talk to. I tried to do a little bit of research on private prisons but didn’t uncover anything about the music business’ involvement. However, the information I did find confirmed how dangerous this prison business really was. Days turned into weeks and weeks into months. Eventually, it was as if the meeting had never taken place. It all seemed surreal. I became more reclusive and stopped going to any industry events unless professionally obligated to do so. On two occasions, I found myself attending the same function as my former colleague. Both times, our eyes met but nothing more was exchanged.

As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

I officially quit the music business in 1993 but my heart had already left months before. I broke ties with the majority of my peers and removed myself from this thing I had once loved. I took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment. As the years passed, I managed to keep my secret, fearful of sharing it with the wrong person but also a little ashamed of not having had the balls to blow the whistle. But as rap got worse, my guilt grew. Fortunately, in the late 90’s, having the internet as a resource which wasn't at my disposal in the early days made it easier for me to investigate what is now labeled the prison industrial complex. Now that I have a greater understanding of how private prisons operate, things make much more sense than they ever have. I see how the criminalization of rap music played a big part in promoting racial stereotypes and misguided so many impressionable young minds into adopting these glorified criminal behaviors which often lead to incarceration. Twenty years of guilt is a heavy load to carry but the least I can do now is to share my story, hoping that fans of rap music realize how they’ve been used for the past 2 decades. Although I plan on remaining anonymous for obvious reasons, my goal now is to get this information out to as many people as possible. Please help me spread the word. Hopefully, others who attended the meeting back in 1991 will be inspired by this and tell their own stories. Most importantly, if only one life has been touched by my story, I pray it makes the weight of my guilt a little more tolerable.

Thank you.

1,837 comments:

  1. The lack of feedback from the readers here is so disheartening. This is the kind of story that's supposed to generate pages of heated debate, some anger, hell at least a comment. The readers here never have anything to say and it sad becuse half the fun of reading a story like this is joining in the discussion.

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    1. It's only because it doesn't surprise many. We know how corrupt and deep things are right now, in every area of this country and internationally. Wealthy people dont care and we know this.

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    2. ^true statement sad but true

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  2. Heated debates on the internet are like the Paralympics: even if you win, you are still retarded.

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    1. Thank you for that original insight. Im sure u must be bursting with wisdom to come up with something so sage. My point was that unlike most popular site, this one is usually devoid of intelligent feedback from the readers which is a shame.

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    2. U, you.

      There, they're, their, it will be ok.

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    3. We all know our government is, corupt as are all governments they are put there to control us and And give the people who are running the country power over us I mean think about it do you really need some one to choose for you were your money is going for taxes why can we choose that and donate it to places that help us like our kids schools or churches that will help our comunities instead it goes to our goverment and they decide what is "best for us" when will we as the people realize we are part of the problem as long as we choose not to have our own minds and let others control us no matter what the cause. I the long run you either teach your children to conform or make a stand. Do we not realize that we are being dupped tricked and flamboozeled if our governments world wide didnt create the problems we have we wouldnt need them to clean it up as long as they can trick us into wars and being pitted against each other our world will just keep getting worse why do we tend to think of our country like its on a different planet what happens everywhere else polution war disease famine will ultimatly efect us all AND NO IT WONT BE OK UNTIL WE ALL TAKE A STAND AGAINST THE THING WE KNOW IN OUR HEARTS TO BE WRONG.

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    4. VERY well said! I wasn't going to comment myself, however, after reading your comment I couldn't resist. I am a 25 year-old girl, and due to the lack of interest and "distractions" of my friends and peers, this sadly, has never been a topic of discussion. The young sheeple have been lead to a complete oblivion, finding this topic to difficult to understand and taking their freedom for granted. I have made several attempts to discuss politics and it's like a foreign language to them, so why in the hell are they allowed to vote? Why are we legally allowed to drink at age 21, but allowed to decide presidency at 18? Why are pedophiles, rapists, thieves, and drug users allowed to vote since they clearly are not wise decision makers! Why are foreigners who can't speak English allowed to vote, i only have assume they have no education on American History or even politics for that matter. But you bet your behind, they can tell you what happened in the last episode of The Bachellore, or who posted what on Facebook. A good friend of mine who has no interest in politics or current events, and has not the slightest basic knowledge of these topics that affect her, her husband, and her 2 children. Everytime I visit her she eventually asks the same question, "Did you watch the last episode of ......."?, my answer to the next 5 TV shows she names after will always have the same answer also. Is it not an outrage to EVERYONE, that the amount of people on food stamps increased by 70% since 2008? The cost has more then doubled, to about $75 billion annually!!! If it's not an outrage, then is it simply the lack of knowledge and media coverage? I know there is lack of knowledge about vaccine ingredients; formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, monkey kidney cells, aborted fetal cells, and mouse serum! Maybe some do read the info given, but they fail to research the side effects, as they profit BILLIONS and get away causing autism and every other brain disorder and cancer. But go ahead sheeple, live in denial and stupidity and see where that gets ya! Your view and comment is very eye-opening and I hope it effects at lease one persons life! Thank you!

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    5. Wow. How did you manage to mess up that joke? It is incredibly played out, but the actual joke is about the Special Olympics. The Paralympics does not even make sense...

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  3. This is fucking ridiculous! I'm not saying that I don't believe it, but wow.

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  4. Why were the older posts deleted? Or am I wrong?

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  5. Ain't that about a bitch..This makes total sense..it's a domino effect, all they had to do was get it started and it would sustain itself beyond their wildest estimations..For the love of $$$$$$$

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  6. there was like 17 comments on this page originally...what happened to em?...some dude posted a youtube video of ol boy from poor righteous teachers talking about the same shit this letter is...

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  7. if true its crazy ... but that now that the times are here its not that surprising .... still crazy if this actually went down

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    1. Another attack on rap to make alternative and ghost muzick..stand alone and stand out by default..nuthing that originates frum a divine source will be kontrolled by sum caucasians in a meeting a trick to make it seem they have that power only those who see certain humans as superior will believe this dumbshyt..

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  8. If this is true we have all been duped. If it's not it still leaves us a lot to think about. We are in the indie era right now with all the internet stuff bubbling. This is the time for all musicians to step up and say what's real vs what we think the industry will sign us for.

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  9. I love this article, if anyone is interested, there's a great video on the ebaumsworld.com website, just search for it, it basically explains how prisons are being built more then schools, in California alone, 21 prisons were just built vs. 1 school, on average a student cost about 81 dollars a month to maintain, in a prison it cost 50,000 dollars a prisoner to maintain, Profit? YES? Also if you want to dig deeper, I suggest you watch a video posted on World Star Hip Hop, it is an interview by Jay Electronica, he is interviewing RAy Benzino. REading this article just put all of the pieces together. I suggest you all do the same.

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    1. Prisons are built for the same reason russian military personnel iz training..to control the mass with white authority..hasnt really changed since the bombings in 1921..black wallstreet..tulsa oklahoma..

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    2. You sir are an idiot.you obviously are consumed with racism. You regurgitatsome stupid story you heard on some "don't hold us down website", never looking up long enough to take full advantage of what's available to you today.Don't you see the only guilty oppresion is you and its not racist oppression, its self oppression.

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  10. I am glad he spoke up now what can be done about it?

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  11. Hard to believe someone with bad spelling and grammar. Sorry but its true.

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  12. this is the real deal..thanks for posting this!

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  13. Without some kind of proof as to identity and/or occurrences, it reads like nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

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  14. WOW. That is a powerful and alarming story. I've been on the edge of the music industry as a musician for a long time - and have often spread the word how corrupt the industry is but I had no idea it went to that level. After a moment to let it sink in though, I'm not at all surprised.

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  15. I originally posted this yesterday but like many have said, the comments were deleted.

    It definitely seems like a movie script or a paperback novel. You can't read halfway through and not a least be some what interested and what this person has to say. It is sort of intriguing to say the least and I would be foolish to not think about this as a plausibility. Take a look at the youtube clip from Wise Intelligent from Poor Righteous Teachers. He speaks touches on issues within HipHop and the black community. Here is a quote from that video. "HipHop changing from positive to negative was not a consequence of history. it was not a circumstance of history. It was not just something that happened on it's own. It had nothing to do with the changing of the times. It had nothing to do with that. it had everything to do with the fact that there are people in this particular society who wants to see us exactly where we are and we cannot let that point elude us, these are the facts."
    He continues with black oppression and youths uprising against the system. A very common story that still continues today. And yes, he mentions the prison industrial complex. What anonymous is saying isn’t so farfetched.

    http://youtu.be/pV4mhxpaEmk

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  16. I always find it ironic how 99% of the public instantly throw this in the unbelievable file. Either because it does not fit within their perception of how their reality works, or because of spelling and grammar, or because you can absolutely prove every tiny detail. Well guess what we the public have been sold a line of BS from medical to musical and everything in between so a very few handful of families can maintain power and money positions. Get it in your thick heads, we are all sheeple to them and if we live or die or kill each other off it does not matter, they win. Want to get rid of the issue, we are going to have to get our hands dirty and probably bloody. What I wouldn't give for us to stop kicking the crap out of each other for stupid reasons and start kicking the crap out of the powers that be. Until they are all gone we cant live in peace. nuff said.

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  17. The debate may not being going on here on this page, but I guarantee you it is going on heatedly in other places. I was directed here via a forum post and in turn re posted on my facebook.

    Thank you for sharing, and don't mind the people complaining about the spelling and grammar (it really wasn't that bad) they're just assholes or paid shills trying to discredit you.

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  18. It would be nice to have some sort of proof involved with it, although I'm rather convinced by it... even if it wasn't true, the described effects are definitely true when it comes to the privatized prison system and how they benefit off of bigger, fuller prisons.

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  19. A massive load of total nonsense......lies, lies and more lies. If you believe this you are stupid!

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    1. You must have been one of the guys at the meeting lol

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  20. And on what basis do you have to say it's completely "A massive load of total nonsense"

    Maybe you've never been in a situation where you are totally innocent but arrested by police against your will only to go to jail for possession of narcotics you never had on your person. Is that not possible?

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  21. Conditions in the hood weren't created by rap music, maybe to some degree it exploits, but I tend to be of the mind that they're modern day story tellers. Do the conditions go away if gangster rap does? I don't think that rap music makes any do anything. I'm not of that mind. Niggaz were listening to Smokey Robinson killings niggaz back in the day. I'm tired of this shit. Stop blaming music for behavior. I think that is at the heart of this. So what if some rich ass cracker clowns are profiting off of black music, that's how it has always been. Do you people really believe that without "gangster" rap that prison rates would be lower? The key words in this entire letter are PRIVATE PRISONS! They're ran for profit. The outrage about this article should be articulated in that, in the Prison Industrial Complex, something that sales justice, something that has been looting the black community of its men and women. NOT the fact that gangster rappers may have been being exploited. Someone was exploiting them like most commercial musicians are exploited. I am not one to run from a conspiracy or completely deny it I just won't denigrate or sell short the young story tellers who were making this music before this so-called meeting. Who were victims of a poor environment BEFORE Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. Gangster rap is important to rap and hip-hop music and it still is and always will be until the conditions of our neighborhoods change. I'm sick and tired of this hip-hop elitism. It's all beautiful and it's all necessary.

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    1. Well said! I agree 100..

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    2. Does this guy get kudos for having a well articulated argument? I don't think people are saying that telling a story is not important. But why is an industry that is so controlled pushing "go out and kill that nigga next door while you sell his bitch mom crack and fuck his sister and get her pregnant"? That's the question. If your well spoken argument held validity then anyone could make it big in the industry and would not have to tailor their music to white executive preference. Yes there are free thinkers like yourself, but if you are truly a black man living the black experience in this world then you know there are people who are out striving for change and there are shitload of followers who admire the street lifestyle because it has gained so much mainstream popularity. Look at the number of kids trying to gain street cred to be a rapper? And you said all that so well to say that music is not influential? Open your eyes. No doubt you love the music but a parent-less society is being raised by Snoop Dogg while Calvin Brodus is at home raising his kids. Think about that!

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    3. BOOM! Say it!

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  22. There are a lot of narrow minded comments come on people wake up and put 2 and 2 together stop being in denial

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  23. I've heard similar stories, but really who knows? That's why there is a thing called choice. I listen to all rap and hiphop and I'm fine. Wife, kids, house, high pay job and no one helped me out. No excuse to go to jail other then people making the wrong choice. I'm not sorry for those who can't live in our productive Society. I refuse to also feel any guilt, they made there bed now lay in it! Oh by the way, other countries listen to the same gangster rap as we do, but they aren't crazy acting like fools in the streets. This is a parenting issue. Parents that don't care to find out what their kids are doing and Keep them in check. Oh, and did I mention I grew up in A single parent household in Detroit? If I made it anybody can make it!!!

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    1. That's bullshit dude! How many kids from Detroit made it where both of their parents were out in the streets chasing that rock? Don't get it twisted while you're sitting on the high horse. You had a push even if you didn't have help. Look at places like Oakland CA. Kids raising kids because daddy got shot and moms smoking rock. Put yourself in that situation and ask who might you have been listening to? You had help, your ego just enjoys the glory of thinking you're self-made.

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  24. A very nice story, but probably belongs in the fiction section. No source? No name? No credibility! Then again some people will fall for anything! I bet the Illuminati was behind this one too right? Thanks for the read though Ivan!

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  25. I stopped reading when he said the group (of people who were unknown to each other) would be able to buy shares of Prison stock. What makes you think the real owners of private prisons would share profits with Music Industry types? Maybe perhaps one or two CEOs, but to think this kind of meeting would happen is stupid. Believe that YES, there is a movement that wants to control and keep minorities imprisoned (why Cannabis will never be legal) but this sounds like someone's fabrication of what a lot of people already suspect, which is a movement by wealthy individuals to control the poor.

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    1. Its called "going public" that's when u open your business to be bought by shareholders and have a board of directors for they're interests. This is as standard as business gets. Facebook is going public with 100 million dollars( maybe billion, dnt remember) any business that has shares of stock open, are almost all open for public purchas, private prisons included

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  27. Wise Intelligent youtube link.

    http://youtu.be/pV4mhxpaEmk

    Copy and paste in your browser. Then watch and learn.

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  28. I always had the suspission that the music industry was corrupt..its sad how now its only getting worse

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  29. Its unfortunate, but the "powers that be" so to speak have dominated and manipulated the popular music industry for quite some time. Its a good thing more and more people are waking up to this.

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  30. Nothing New...its no different from what they have implicated with Black Panthers,Islam,Rastafarians,etc.. When Willie Lynch was first iniated,they knew their strategies would work as long as they kept the so called Minorities segregated and inebriated.They were cunning but their are so many people aware and have been aware of this cycle...so there is nothing to be done to stop what is already here...Its just how to we take back the youths attention and put self pride and self love back into this community.

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  31. Sadly no way to verify it's truth

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  32. Sounds like the justification of all the crappy Rap music that came out of the late 80's and 90's. Yet again, all of the problems go back to the rich white man. Nice.

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  33. This could very much true but the violence in the streets was happening way before rap music.. Filling the jails started with drugs and was further more fueled with poverty and segregation leading to a state of hopelessness. For many people, rap music whether it be gangster rap or other is just a medium; a way to release frustations felt. Much in the way head bangers have hard rock and heavy metal..D

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  34. @Anonymous at 3:49 p.m. Say it again...it's nothing new at all. These tactics have been going on for centuries actually.

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  35. Who said they were "rich white men" at anonymous posting at 4:13 p.m? You said it and so it has been for many years.

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  36. Interesting...definitely worth talking about...

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  37. It reads as a conspiracy theory to those in denial of the obvious.

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  38. Interesting...definitely worth talking about...

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  39. Sigh. I hate tearing this story apart, but things that sound true are sometimes more dangerous than things that are blatantly and obviously false.

    First off: privately run prisons account for a very small number of all prisons in the US, and that includes the California prison boom since the 1980s. Not to say that most prisons aren't profitable; they are, although the profits come in the form of public investment through taxes. But they're not the sort of thing people buy stock in. Prisons, by and large, benefit municipal financial capitalists - not slews of corporate shareholders, and certainly not people in the music industry.

    Next: since the 1980s, violent crime and other kinds of crime that gangster rap depicts has dropped significantly nationwide. So while the number of prison inmates has skyrocketed to over 2 million today, the vast majority of them are in for nonviolent crimes. This was primarily done through new laws (like the "three strikes" law, or more stringent drug laws) and tougher sentencing measures, not by the promotion of new kinds of rap music.

    Finally: I'm pretty damn insulted by any story that suggests all of us who listen to rap (and hip hop) are just being duped by a few guys who met in a room once and decided singlehandedly to fill prisons by manipulating music markets. Not only is that a bizarre strategy ("Hey we need more inmates - let's contact the music industry to help us out!"), it just doesn't reflect what really happened and what is STILL happening with prisons, commercial music, and a whole bunch of people who made both happen. It may SOUND right to say that it can all be traced to a closed-door meeting, but there's whole histories that tell us otherwise. How convenient that whoever passed on this "true story" kept their distance after this supposed meeting and can't provide any details on any of the people, companies, or processes involved, most all of which has been recorded in some way and can be critically examined. I'd suggest we start here to get more useful answers to why so many people are in prison, or why rap and hip hop changed the way they did, rather than trying to redeem tidy stories that only fuel a lot of useless speculation.

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  40. You couldve saved the lives of many fallen rappers

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  41. I knew it. Rap music took such a spin at that time that it seemed obvious that record companies had vested interested in the negative messages they were promoting. However, did not know it was to this extent. I am not surprised at all but I am fuckin disgusted!!! Such a shame. Fuck the prison and record industry.

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  42. Mrsbabsnutt..hooker extrodinareApril 26, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    fuck em all. What is one to do? where do we go from here?

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  43. i believe it. sad... ive been locked up and know that its a business.. rap had a huge effect on me as a youngman and was very appealing to me. i made alot of mistakes and now at 38 am trying to salvage whats left of my life.

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  44. Only smart ppl realized the destruction that some rap has had on the youth...

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  45. Illuminati makes these decisions..It's a way of thinking..The government does have control/influence on people and their way of thinking..Not just black people, but all races!...True Story

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  46. Crazy maaan... However Professor Griff mentioned in his book "Analytixz" that such conscious Hip Hop (Higher Infinite Power Healing Our People) artists/groups such as; Public Enemy, Da Lench Mob, Rakim, etc, was purposely neutralized with the Gangster Rap genre, to bring down the level of consciousness in our communities. Namely our Black and Hispanic communities. Because theez devils understood (or I should say understand) how we were acting and responding to the positive Hip Hop in our neighborhoods and also understood/understand the power of music and frequencies, they in turn took that same power, and used it to counter the positive with the negative.

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  47. Keidi (aka conscious rasta) will take you down the rabbit hole on this. I'm sure George bush sr. Is in there along with easy e and the nwa boys. Probably the HUD/LA crackademic too.

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  48. It makes perfect sense to me. And the people who gave the order: the secret societies that wanted to put all black people in the ghetto, release crack and aids into it and let them kill each other. Its a whole sick, twisted plot.

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  49. IMO this person speaks the truth, and its very sad that this type of cynical behavior has seeped through onto the music industry, aiming something once known as "art" as a means to brainwash consumers into commenting bad deeds. First they took over rap, nowadays I see it in almost every main genre on the airwaves now to some extant. Sad really, and my only word of advise is to think beyond the box, and listen to some actual good tunes.

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  50. I think the private prison thing is just a ruse that was the lesser of evils, since they needed a reason for these music executives, albeit still a horrible example of controlled corruption. The actual damage was to society as a whole, which was the real target. Really one small part of a larger global conspiracy to get control of government and world economy.

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  51. I always wondered what happen to great groups like X-Clan. All of a sudden they just faded out. It's so obvious that gangsta rap was use to wipe out that type of music. Intelligent open mind thinkin music to violent, sex and drug music. Them corporate bosses are smart. They did a great job making that chance so smooth. Too bad I was so young back then.

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  52. And the King will answer them, "Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
    Matthew 25:40

    We all suffer by greed and manipulation. Fine minds on this board are conscious and critical. Live by example and we can change the world.

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  53. The non disclosure agreement is what seals this as a hoax considering the nature of what they are not to disclose and the punishment for doing so. Comical. There is certainly a conspiracy, but this retardation is not it.

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  54. wall of txt crit for over 9000k.

    learn to write paragraphs plz...

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  56. Whoever's complaining about bad spelling or grammar, microsoft word, and I, disagree with you.

    This is a typical diversion card.

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  57. What can be said is that rap, at least what is allowed on the airwaves, definitely took a turn for the worst around 1993 or so. I loved A Tribe Called Quest and other non-gangter rap acts, but by 1994 they were fading away.

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  58. Man doesn't make the money. Money makes the man.

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  59. and who's behind this, draco reptilians. boycott all these silly ass cloned celebs rappers sports figures, its all ENTERTAINMENT! these mf's are not even real people!!!!!!!

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  60. But of course! capitalism is hella organized

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  61. I believe this. I remember seeing and interview with Dr. Dre. I forget who he was talking to as it was more than 10 years ago from what i recall. Anyway the man asked him "whats up with this whole gangster thing?" Dre replied, "man i aint gangster im just here to make money". Might not seem like a lot but just by him saying that it sounds like he was coerced into rapping about crime drugs and sex for financial gain.

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  62. This is the agenda of the Illuminati, New World Order.

    Everything in this article is true.....

    simple one more horrific slice that is Our Rockefeller Rothschild prison society :)

    The small circle of unknown people he refers to would have been the Illuminati agents.

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  63. Idk if this is actually true, but he's obviously referring to Death Row Records, Rap Music post 91 - Prison - Death row - Death Row Records.

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  64. Paralyzed people aren't retarded

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  65. This would explain the crap that is known as rap. I remember hip hop and rap of the 80s and it was MUCH different. Now it's just vulgar trash. I don't mind some hip hop but the majority of all of it is just trash and is all about how much money you have or strippers and thug life. Yea what a life to aspire to.

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  66. I find this information so ironic, I use to be in the music Business as a Reggae artist around this time not only did the meeting affect Rap music but it also dehumanized Reggae music as ypu can see today i immediately notice what the industry was doing & did an about face i no longer participate in the criminalization of the music industry and i would like to commend you for sharing your story God Bless you and I'm going to speak out on all the corruption and deceit that comes with being an entertainer thanks again

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  67. Crock of shit. How can one believe something someone says they experienced, without an iota of evidence?

    Niggers LIKE violence--just look at any given African country. Were they brainwashed by crap rap too?

    Niggers, please... -_-

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  68. Well remember, he did say he is from Europe so that partially explains the bad grammar. I knew something like this happened way before I read this article. It was so obvious. But this just solidifies it. Read about COINTELPRO and you'll get it even more.

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  69. Ive actually heard theories about the CIA being behing Gangster Rap, I think it was Alicia Keys who mentioned it, then backflipped, interesting story. Unfortunately we'll never know the truth, either way, but it does fit nicely.

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  70. those who dont beleive the story ,to me a m-eastern are a bunch of super stupid or a bunch of gov agents.from the beggening of rap music it was obvious that there is a plan to make a war between races and ...americans are a bunch of stupid ruled by a bunch of criminal ashgnazis

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  71. Proof or not, this is more than believable. Everything he said about the prison industrial complex is true, but he only mentioned the tip of the iceberg. This thing runs deep and not just in the prison system. Watch "The Future of Food" or "Food, Inc." (streaming on Netflix) and you'll see them same kind of behind-the-veil activities, designed solely to benefit the wealthy 1%, big business. This country is NOT run by the people or for the people. It's run by corporations for the benefit of their shareholders. This is not a conspiracy theory. The facts are there. The food we eat is routinely tainted and the FDA, which is supposed to protect us is headed by the same people who were in executive positions at the companies producing the tainted food. It's no different than what this person alleges happened in music. Listen to the rap from the late 80's and listen to what passes for hip hop now. There is a distinct change. I came of age listening to hip hop and it was a very different thing than it is now. I won't let my kid listen to most of the stuff that's out now. He listens to some of the real old school stuff and the music that gave rise to A Tribe, Public Enemy, KRSOne, Poor Righteous Teachers...conscious lyrics, rather than the misogynistic and morally bankrupt lyrics out today. Not to sound like a grandpa or anything, but the decline in basic morality and civility across society is also part of the problem. Does the music drive the behavior? Maybe not, but it definitely validates it. There's been a wearing away of basic courtesy and ethics, which encourages, or at the very least does nothing to discourage the kind of behavior that lands you in prison. Making more money for the corporations. Think about the money to be made in producing food for the prison system, clothing and supplies for the inmates, jobs for the guards and other staff. Millions upon millions and it's all privatized...for profit business. Companies operate in order to make money, in this case, the commodity is prisoners, who by the way, are not only worth money from the government, but in turn, generate revenue because the prisons have agreements with other industries such that the prisoners provide cheap labor. Inmates work either within the infrastructure of the prison (kitchen, laundry, etc., saving money of salary and benefits that would be paid to civilian workers) or they work real jobs, assembling various things, etc. and they're paid, in some cases, less than a dollar a day, but the pieces they produce sell at many times the cost of parts and labor and generate a profit for both the prison and the company for which the items are being produced. Does this remind you of anything? . . . .That's right, slavery. Very good. Now, go read something edifying and turn the radio off.

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  72. To the person who pointed out the parallels between the change in rap and the change in reggae...FINALLY! Finally, someone sees it besides me. The "dancehall" music that is called reggae is anything but. Reggae is folk music, much like early hip hop. It told the story of the people. Most, it talked about the struggles of poor people and disenfranchised people. There was hardly any vulgarity in it and what mention of sex there was, was phrased creatively so that it wasn't actually vulgar at all in the end. There's a skill to that. The music of Gregory Isaacs, Peter Tosh, Bunny Wailer, and of course Marley, in the early days was phenomenal in both music and lyrics. If you listen to what's produced today it's a running testimony of depravity and a lack of self-respect. It completely mimics American music. Bob must be rolling in his grave. Sad.

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  73. Sounds about right, and only the people who are not in the industry would disagree because they have no knowledge of the game, and the people who are on the inside know about it, don't care to talk about it they wanna get paid.

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  74. yaaaawn..there is no proof to this..just a story

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  75. Big lies. Gangsta rap was already spreading like wildfire in west coast, with NWA, Ice Cube, Ice T, Easy E and many other less known rappers.

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  76. While gangsta rap may have been on the scene (notice, only on one side of the country, not throughout), it was not the predominant form of rap. Not even close. Whatever you feed flourishes; hence pouring money into the promotion of gangsta rap and limiting the promotion of other artists (this happens ALL the time) ensured that gangsta rap would thrive and everything else would fall behind. Simple economics, people. You hear all the time about artists who were doing well and then suddenly, promotion for their music dwindles in favor of something else. The industry saw big bucks in gangsta rap and got behind it. This story only offers an explanation as to WHY the industry saw such great potential for profit. It is completely conceivable. Don't be naive.

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  77. It's conceivable, but I don't believe it is true...

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  78. As the discussion goes on, some questions come up:
    1. Did the record companies demand from their employees (rappers)to create gangsta rap?
    2. Did the record companies give their rappers already created gangsta rap to perform on wax?
    3. Did rappers run to companies with their demos full of gangsta rap?

    I could go on and on with questions, but I won't. Schooly D was the first to talk about killers and gangsters in 1985, so I wonder how and why did his song pressed on vinyl. The answer is simple to me: because in 1985 it was weird fascinating for a record company to publish a record, which was similar to a '70s black gangster movie. It was weird fascinating to have a black "suspicious" guy, with a rude accent and a drumbeat for music, telling criminal novels.

    Was this random? Or was this an experiment? Because after one year 2 Live Crew came up and after two years Ice-T and NWA made their appearance.

    I listen to rap since the mid '80s and follow the genre systematically since 1988. From then till now a lot has changed in rap. To me it is clear that the companies noticed from the early days that rap is a powerful music genre. It animates everybody to be more active, it gives plenty of motivation. I don't know if gangsta rap was created to fill prisons, sounds a little bit too much in my ears. But it is not impossible. So, if rap music was able to change the youth worldwide in terms of music, clothes, attitude etc., then why not social standards in the US? I believe after a decade we will know the answer...

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  79. try doing your own thing http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/sactownrecordz-presents-cowboy/id468206123

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  80. TO ALL OF YOU WHOI THINK THIS IS A JOKE YOU NEED TO SMARTEN UP I WANT YOU TO LOOK THIS UP AND READ IT THOUGH THE FIRST COUPLE PARAGRAGHS MAY SOUND KINDA STRANGE BARE WITH ME. Do a GOOGLE search on, Secrets Conspiracy. Click on the Second link its called :
    The Secret History of America
    The Greatest Conspiracy On Earth

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  81. This is real. If the story itself isn't true, the depravity and nihilism of modern hip-hop is, anyway, and its results are much the same as what the writer implicates in his letter. Not sure where we go from here, but let's hope it's up.

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  82. this is so ridiculous. does anyone know how business works, or are all of you broke? you don't go to the music industry if you want to fill prisons, you invest in lobbyists. senators put 1000% more niggas in prison than hip hop.
    this would be like risking your career to call a secret meeting with cupholder manufacturers to make all cupholders bigger because you invested in a weight loss product.

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  83. This film was made in 2000 and uncovers some of the private prison issues..

    http://www.correctionsproject.com/corrections/pris_priv.htm

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  84. Don't you see.. you are just part of the fucking problem. Ooh, big man now by keeping anonymous and blowing the whistle. Where the fuck were you 20 years ago when tons of people were being thrown in jail and having their lives destroyed.

    What a POS you are. You know that? Dick-heads like yourself caused all our current problems because they lacked the balls to do anything about it.

    Obviously you are older... hurry up and die because people like you have never benefited society -- only yourself.

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  85. so, everyone is to blame for the behavior of the Black Community, but the Black Community.

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    1. No one said anythign about the black community being the only ones this effected we are just the majority THAT WERE EFFECTED BECAUSE RAP MUSIC WAS MADE BY US PROMOTED BY THEM AND AND US BUT THE BAD ALWAY GETTS MORE PROMTION THATN THE GOOD THERE ARE STILL GOOD RAPPERS OUT THERE THAT MAKE GOOD MUSIC THAT IS INSIPARTIONAL THEY JUST DONT GET AS MUCH AIR TIME AS THE GANGSTAS CAUSE THATS STILL WHATS BEING PROMOTED JUST LIKE YOU HEAR MORE BAD SHIT ON THE NEWS THAN YOU HEAR GOOD

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  86. It's way bigger than Hip Hop... and many of you with what may seem to be opposing opinions are both right. I've been producing and DJing Hip Hop for 25 years. I can see how this may be a true story. There were DEFINETLY people outside of the music industry pushing the direction and image back then and ever since. It was a very sad and frustrating time for those of us that felt the power of music and it's ability to influence change. Music, like all forms of art create reality, not the other way around. Don't believe the hype

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  87. If you let someone elses music to influence you in a negative manner, you are week and allowing it to an excuse. Take control of your own personal life and stop blaming someone else for your short falls. Self Powering is the answer, regardless the color of your skin. My 13 yr old son was confused about black people being poor, he stated to me, "I know more rich black people than white people", I think that has a great influence on him, be a young black man from a middle class family.

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  88. To be or not to be that is the question. Private prisons, toll roads, pharmaceutical companies, shit even the post office and many more. Land of the rich home of the poor. It don't matter if this true or false because nothing is going to be done about it. Its way too late for anything to be done about it. The rich have full control of the drivers seat. Even if we made a stand we can be picked off one by one with a good cover-up. Even if you weren't at this so called meeting it would have happened anyway, and I'm sure there is plenty more ideas that have come up since then to profit these so called nameless people. It's a wasted battle unfortunately, but it is what it is. No point on dwelling on what should of, could of been done. The fact is nothing was done and its far too late to do anything about it now.

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  89. I couldn't tell you why, but I knew rap took a bad turn when I use to listen to it. I voiced my anger about it to people who'd glorified it within my circles, but really who was listening. Many of them followed these glorified lyrics(some actually outlining what they needed to do) and wound up in jail or worse dead.

    I'm not surprised that it was actually a plot, because of how quickly the change happened you can tell there were strings being pulled in the background.

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  92. I grew up with the old school, and still love it. Not many have made music in that way since then. I noticed the change, and wasn't crazy about it either. I don't know if this is real or not, but if it isn't, it still makes sense. Very sad, either way. It either paints a picture of the reality of today or it is real, and speaks of a conspiracy. Either way, the end result is the same.

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  93. No after everyone has read this, are they going to listen to a former correction officer pop slick about selling drugs? What about the maximum amount of N****s * B*****s in the song after being told to do so by the record exec? I hate sh*t hop that's why the radio is off. Real Hip Hop culture is what I am.

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  94. This must be fake. If it's real, why doesn't he offer more proof? More proof would certainly make the story spread like fire, and I guess it's in his interest to get the story out.

    If he's afraid they'll figure out who he is, then maybe he shouldn't talk so much about coming from europe. How many europeans from the music industry attended that meeting? It's not very clever, sorry...

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  95. The first thing that came to my head was that interview Tupac did at Clinton Correctional Facility. "Peep the game".

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  96. Although I have worked in around the prison system for sometime, I find there is some level of believability. Prisons generate and cost substantial amounts of money. The issue that I have with the letter is that without a single name, it's hard to follow with anything beyond a small curiosity. It was an event that took place more than 2 decades ago and this is written by anonymous. There is limited liability to post a name. The fear of retribution dissipates with every moment. Beyond the fact that rap music didn't create the social inequality and economic plight represented. Rap music in effect took advantage of and gave a voice to it.

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  97. While it is a disturbing read, it is, as it stands, nothing more than a piece of fiction. The lack of names or traceable details makes it more dramatic, but less believable. I would hope if the author was telling the truth, he would step up and do his moral obligation to society for something so profound.

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  98. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. While this is entirely possible, we need far more proof than some rambling story from 20+ years ago.

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  99. This is for the masses, the lower classes
    The ones you left out, jobs were givin', better livin'
    But we were kept out
    Made to feel inferior, but we're superior
    Break the chains in our brains that made us fear yah
    Pledge allegiance to a flag that neglects us
    Honour a man that who refuses to respect us
    Emancipation, proclamation, Please!
    Lincoln just said that to save the nation
    These are lies that we all accepted
    Say no to drugs but the government’s kept it
    Running through our community, killing the unity
    The war on drugs is a war on you and me
    And yet they say this is the Home of The Free
    But if you ask me it's all about hypocrisy
    The constitution, Yo, it don't apply to me
    And Lady Liberty still the bitch lied to me
    Steady strong nobody's gonna like what I pumpin'
    But it's wrong to keeping someone from learning something
    So get up, it's time to start nation building
    I'm fed up, we gotta start teaching children
    That they can be all that they want to be
    There's much more to life than just poverty

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  100. Why would such a 'truth' be posted on your shitty hip hop web site?

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  101. Thank you very much for posting this, whoever you may be. Not surprising and it goes very well hand in hand with everything we have been hearing about the Illuminati and their goal to bring their message to the masses through music. This is just another form of it.

    Anybody who says this is unbelievable I suggest you read the book The FBI War on Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders by John Potash if you really need confirmation. He is bringing lots of information on the table that this war to destroy the black race in the US has been going on for centuries.

    I will definitely share this article as much as I can.

    Thank you very much for posting!

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  102. If you have been raised in the "HOOD" as i have you will see the validity in this letter. Young black men listen to music glorifying the drug game & it's materialistic & financial rewards & associate that with reality, & when society exploits wealth & materialism with human worth how do you blame this man for striving to imitate these artists to find his place in society for the sake of himself & his family. Same reason why Lauryn Hill, , Common & Dead Prez get minimal radio air time and/or promotion. Ive seen it, lived it & can relate to it. If it the letter is a hoax it has presented a very believable scenario as to why so many minorities spend 1/3 of their lives incarcerated. (Read a book)

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  103. the thought of this happening is disheartening, but what isn't nowadays?
    nobody reads anymore so i hate to say it but this article won't get much feedback unless there are actions to back it up...UNITE

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  104. Thanks for stepping up to share your experience. No matter how long it took you to tell your story. You have been heard at least by me and others now.

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  105. I am a pretty serious conspiracy believer.
    I do believe a conspiracy is behind the promotion of violence in rap music.

    This story is very implausible. Conspirators do not announce their plans to roomfuls of strangers any more than they send out weekly "conspiracy newsletters". Filling prisons by influencing one genre of music? This is some Hollywood type stuff. It reads like fiction.

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  106. This Is Old News And At No Surprise To Me, That The Powers That Be Are At A Continued Effort To keep Getting Rich Off The Poor While Keeping Them Down. Mainly In The Africans In America Communities, Reasons Why Rap Was Chose Instead Of Rock & Roll.. This Practice (American Dream) Of Leading The People Blindly Into Self Destruction, Has Been The Way Of America's Lifestyle Since The Destruction Of Black Civilization. Since The Popular Gang Movie "Colors" With Sound Track Music From Gangsta Rap Artist Ice T, Rap Music Has Never Been The Same.. We Went From Rapping About Self Destruction To Destroy Everything Including Self.. Yeah Your Powers That Be Are Doing This Same Method In Religion, Schools, Entertainment, Etc.. Wake Up!!!

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  107. we trippy mang!

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  108. Drop your silly doubt.
    Just stomp around and pout.
    When you find what you're about, we're the ones that mapped it out.
    All of you are "gangstas", and we're your master prankstas.
    Be careful when you look within, what's lookin back with evil grin, will twist the knife as it goes in.
    So you don't think you're a puppet?
    You boast of originality?
    Jump into that SUV, like all the rest of you do.
    Spin those stupid spinner wheels while you have not one clue.
    An original thought would explode your heads,
    you all just say what's done been said.
    Dancing on our invisible string, we'll tell you what and where to sing.
    We make you what you are my friend.
    We made "Tupac", we made "Rerun".
    We'll make you fat and tell you to dance.
    We told you to wear your pants around your knees.
    You think it's your idea?
    Nigga Please!

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  109. Not sure if I believe this specific story, since it's all colorfully written like a fiction novel, but I do see the correlation between the prison industrial complex and the hip-hop/rap music industry. It does seem as though labels and trends switched completely after the 80s to a more gangster-style of music. The U.S. justice system IS completely racist and targets non-white people at a much higher ratio than to whites. It is completely possible that powers from outside of the music industry stepped in at precisely that time. The best thing we can do is spread knowledge, kindness and tolerance. Promote music that isn't centered around violence but of genuine human expression. http://themcfaceman.bandcamp.com

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  110. When you realize that all the conflicts between the people of this country, have been created by the ones in control, then put into action by their owned corporate media, you will find, with some easily obtainable information, that one group is responsible for it. Can you say ASHKENAZI? I suggest you learn to say it. Because THEY are our true enemies. Tell a friend. Never generalize things. We are not White, Black, or any color. When sickness strikes, it makes you green. The same green as the FEDERAL RESERVE notes. Who owns the FEDERAL RESERVE? See: ASHKENAZI. There's our enemy.

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  111. Yes, it is real, but rap is not the only way to make money by prgramming people to be stupid, mean, crazy or criminal.

    Death metal was promoted to encourage parents to patronize Psychiatic Institutes that would fix your child for 500 dollars a day until the insurance money ran out. I knew the fellow who produced the acts.

    How about all the psychos you see on TV? It is called programming for a reason.

    How influential is TV? Before Jack Bauer on 24, the only people who were supposed to torure were NAZIS, COMMIES and the SPANISH INQUISITION. Now it is as American as Apple Pie.

    Drugs and criminal behavior - we invaded Afghanistan to get the opium farmers back in production and just about every murder suicide is fueled by antidepressants. Keeping a population doped up is a sure way to increase your crime rate and prison population. Hell, during Reagan's administration there was a cocaine for guns operation being run out of the White House basement.

    Keep building them prisons, there is lots more money to be made.

    For the rest of us, there is the cellphone. It keeps track of who you talk to, where you go, what you buy, what you post and it is all usable in a court of law. It is the cheapest prison cell made.

    Anyway you look at it, we are in custody, property, controlled and told what to think and believe and if you dare go against it, we have someplace to put you.

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  112. Not really something I didn't see in it's making.But damn the truth hurts.

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  113. I am willing to bet everything i have on the fact that there have been many more meetings to discuss this and not just for hiphop but for every other music genre that is mainstream or pseudo mainstream.

    Just look at how music has degraded over the past years, i mean seriously "bands" and singers like "LMFAO" or Rebecca Black or even Hot Problems? That is the new mainstream?

    Music has gone from talking about real things, to pure sexual fiction and bling-mania.

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  114. When this plan worked they decided to utilize rap as a form to create destruction and dysfunction throughout the black community.

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  115. I'm sorry, but most of you buying this bullshit is retarded, and using retarded arguments to discard logic.
    The real problem here is not a secret brotherhood in power, it's you people being either children (which i really hope!) or simply plain stupid. Apologies for the lack of sympathy but come on already!

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  116. I could not agree more with Alex's comment.

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  117. I recall similar stories about television writers, producers and directors being forced to "sex up" scripts. Shows that would have shut down networks are now part of everyday programming.

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  118. Thank you for finally speaking out. This kind of stuff is all over the alternative media and isn't so shocking to those of us that have become familiar with the NWO/illuminati agenda.
    Ruin/control our society and make big bucks doing it. It heartens me greatly to hear you tell the story - to give specifics as to how these things have happened. I have often wondered how music changed this way and why TV has become total CRAP with suggestive sexual content being portrayed as "family" tv. I stopped watching MSM news long ago and limit my tv watching to documentaries, harmless 50's sitcoms (I Love Lucy etc) and ESPN. I spend most of my time on the internet educating myself about what is really going on. Hopefully, BIG change is coming SOON. TPTW are on the way OUT!
    Thanks again for speaking out! I hope you feel relieved.

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  119. wow thts unbelivable i didnt kmw tht they will be so mean. .......

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  120. I believe it. They use the most influential media to brainwash our youth and glorify a lifestyle that is demeaning and make it seem acceptable. It is shameful. It is time to WAKE UP!!

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  121. They Dont Really Care About Us, Money, Morphine, Threatened, Tabloid Junkie, Scream, This Time Around, Monster, Workin Day&Night, Torture, Heartbreak Hotel, Smooth Criminal...etc. All songs with the message, by Michael Jackson, he kept trying to wake folks up...to Heal the World, We Are the World, We Are Here to Change the World, Earth Song, Keep the Faith...etc. Music, sounds, beats, vibrations have a woven web to either grow the dis-ease or rise above it. THIS IS IT!

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  122. Seagrams corporation is apparently heavily involved in the rap industry. The Bronfman Bros., who own Seagrams, are notorious Zionists. It is not inconceivable that a bigger agenda was present in the shaping of a form of indoctrination through music.

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  123. i believe every word of it and i hate hip hop so now can the music industry genius bring back disco please

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  124. I have to call bullshit. IF one bit of this was true, it would be the authors moral/human duty to name names and companies...selfish to think of yourself and family, when a generation of humans are fed to the machine. OP is as guilty as hitler.

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  125. I detest hip hop too, but this is a global agenda and confirms the experience of someone I knew who used to work for the Police, they eventually left the force because they could not understand why public order offences were going through the roof, something as innocuous as being a bit tiddly on New Years Eve, can now be considered a Public Order Offence and if you verbally defend yourself against the arresting officer, the 'crime' becomes more serious. No wonder the prisons are over populated, there is an agenda to criminalise the population. Of course when people have a criminal record and can no longer get a decent job, they have no option but to do any old low end crappy job for and get paid below the minimum wage! We are slaves indeed.

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  126. I DON'T NEED THIS LETTER FOR PROOF..THE PROOF IS THE MUSIC AND MESSAGE THAT WAS BEING PUSHED EVER SINCE NWA CAME OUT..NY WAS AT ITS PEEK IN CONSCIOUS RAP AND WAS LATER WIPED AWAY WITH THIS GARBAGE..LATER ON CAME CASH MONEY WITH THEIR BLING..OH YEA TUPAC AND BIGGIE WERE GUILTY TOO..PICK UP THAT BOOK HIP HOP DECODED BY THE BLACK DOT..BELIEVE ME IV'E BEEN INTO HIP HOP SINCE 79, I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

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  127. It makes perfect sense and answers a million questions. Only people that will deny it are those with their heads burried up their coulu and the criminal elite that are responsible.

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  128. Look up the Franfort School, TPTB have been using the "arts" and "artists" to advance their various agendas for centuries.

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  129. Since time has passed, will you give out the names of the music companies & execs so we can cross reference their board of directors names with the stocks the they have purchsed so we can see a connection between them & Prive for profit prison owners?

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  130. I always thought it was strange that rap was heavily promoted around the same time the prison system was being privatised. This man's testimony has the ring of truth to my ears.
    The college I attended at the time(early 90's in NYC)opened the school to black high school kids.Supposedly for prep classes,yet I never saw the kids in any classroom. They were always walking around aimlessly.
    I spoke to the head of minority affairs dept about this,but got the official "we are dedicated to educating the children" propaganda.
    To make a long story short, I did alot of reasearch as to who exactly owned this school and where the administration had it's money invested.Sure enough, the school had money in the new private prison system. The ringmaster of the minority dept was neither black nor white American, but a Russian woman and she was communist to the core.There was nothing but hatred in her eyes for me and everyone else.She is not the one the black students met with in the dept.She was behind the scenes.
    I knew she ran the department because I was a student representative on the college board.
    The college board meetings were basically bullshit,but I did learn a little bit about who was who and who made the real decisions.
    Soon,the black kids started comitting crimes and of course arrested and hauled off.
    The kids weren't there for an education.They were let in then encouraged onto crime in order to be arrested.
    I told a few of the black kids that they were being set up and they were being used and the people who owned the school own a piece of the new private prisons.They knew about private prisons and did not like the idea.We had that in common. They believed me and left the college grounds. I hope they told their fellow black high school students.I suggested that they do that.
    I dropped out of school very soon after talking to the black kids.It was the last straw in a college that taught only propaganda and leftist/communist bullshit.I couldn't take it there anymore.Especially after seeing the truth and who really owned the school.
    I grew up in the Bronx.I am a white American. I am streetwise. I thought I was wise to the ways of the world. I didn't know how deep the horrible sh*t runs. It is deep.
    The school is supposedly a Catholic school,but it is owned by communists and they make all the real decisions, as they control all the school's finances.
    Boy, was this Catholic kid fooled.
    This man's letter has a great ring of truth to my ears. I commend him for it.
    It did me good to read it because no one in NYC wanted to hear what I had to say.No one believed me,except the black high school kids.Good for them. I hope they went on to a decent life.
    Privatising the prison system was a great crime against Americans. A crime against white Americans because blacks are encouraged to assault us, and a crime against black Americans because they eventually wind up in prison ruining their lives. We, both black Americans and white American are used as pawns.
    It is disgusting. We live in a world of lies and deceit.
    This man told us the truth. Joe

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  131. Those types have penetrated and instigated in every and any group which attracts or controls any noticeable money.

    Pierce the modus operandi of any industry's upper echelon, and you will find this type of motive "built in", displacing any prior "good" or service-oriented motive - that which used to be called "socially responsible" work or service.

    This is not fiction.

    Thank you, anonymous author, and don't plague yourself quite so much. These are the times, now, for bringing out such information, and much more will come out too - regarding all areas of our society. Society is ready to receive this information. And you and others like you are stepping up to the plate, to serve it up to the public.

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  132. Wait, the author is worried about being outed yet he was only a handful of people kicked out at this particular moment? And he's from Europe? Sounds like someone is giving up too many details to truly be worried about his identity being figured out. I call baloney.

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  133. I did not mention who exactly owns this college. I cannot mention who owns it as I also spoke up against union corruption in NYC when I worked for UPS in NYC.Hundreds of millions of dollars was stolen from worker's pension funds. The money was stolen by both union officials and people in the UPS high management working together.The money is replaced by the feds who print money out of thin air: long story but "fiat" money reduces us a type of serfdom.
    Long story short:I got the death phone calls in the middle of the night.Not fun.No one else would speak up against this.I didn't want to get shot,especially as no one seemed to care about the great theft. I shut up.I moved to California.
    I also spoke up about 9/11.I think it was a government false flag operation.I spoke up about here in Sacramento,California,in front of the capital building.My name is now on the government "no-fly" list.
    We Do Not live in a free country.It is very much a controlled country.In short,I am afraid to mention the name of the college and who owns the college exactly.I'm skating on thin ice as it is. Joe

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  134. That office was full of Aliens, with Elvis and Black (real) Michael Jackson at its head. Its all so clear now...

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  135. Keep the faith: The good guys win.

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  136. If you really want to argue the possibility of this as truth, check out these links

    http://www.justic epolicy.org/news/2615

    http://www.correcti onsproject. com/corrections/pris_priv.htm

    just for starters....

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  137. The fact of the matter is that whether or not this story is real (I do have a couple of holes I'd like to press the author about), this is actually happening. With the decline of politically active rap in the late 80's, early 90's, came the rise in the mindless entertainment we see today, which honestly does not singularly include rap. There are still some good rappers out there (Immortal Technique, Mos Def, KRS One, etc...) Who have tried to keep up the tradition that was laid before them by the likes of Public Enemy and many others, but it cannot be denied that because of their socially active subject matter, they do gain far less attention than they are privy to. If you choose not to believe the context of this letter, then at least take the time to see that the modern rap genre does not only feed the prison industrial complex through the indoctrination of our youth into very dangerous ideas that would be detrimental to any person, regardless of their race or situation in life, but through slight verbal ques, it does still reinforce racial barriers that many have fought to try and break down over too many decades. The modern rap genre can also be seen to feed the very socially and personally detrimental, runaway capitalist system that we are all apart of. Whether or not capitalism is the right way is beside the point, because the point is that we are talking about a genre of music that in it's popular form, places the amount of possession of clothing created by indentured servants in countries in southeast Asia, or precocious stones that are fought over and paid for in blood by Africans that will never see a cent of profit from them. Modern rap, of course is not the only on of countless forms of entertainment that feeds this cruel system that we have all been born into, but as it is the subject of this webpage, and as it is primarily directed at a people that have had the worst deal of all in this country since it's inception, and that have had to literally fight for their god given rights for decades, and that have seen sociopolitical slings and arrows hurled their way at any turn since they have gotten those rights, I thought it might be prudent to examine it. For all out there, good night, and good luck.

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  138. This letter is such obvioisly fabricated bull. Wow. There is enough actual corruption and deceit going on to worry about, without wasting time on this nonsense.

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  139. I have been a hiphop gangsta rap fan since i first heard mc hammer, young mc.. 91

    And i agree gangsta rap promotes mind controlling aspects that does influence peoples decisions,
    the music today glorifys certain aspects that people think are cool like guns, drugs money and power.

    However we are entitled to our own choices, so to blame hihop for everything I hardly give it that much credit. But it does to an extent!

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  140. I call bullshit. The letter has a few grammatical errors I wouldn't expect from someone successful in the industry and if he was so interested in anonymity I doubt he would admit being from europe. In a meeting full of american industry reps it would be easy to figure out who he is.

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  141. I call bullshit. The letter has a few grammatical errors I wouldn't expect from someone successful in the industry and if he was so interested in anonymity I doubt he would admit being from europe. In a meeting full of american industry reps it would be easy to figure out who he is.

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  142. Our government has been totally dirty for at least 50 years so it would not surprise me in the least if they did something like this.

    But .... you wait 20 years, post anonymous and have zero collaboration? Maybe it's a genuine conspiracy but I'd bet 50 bucks it's nothing more than internet babbling.

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  143. LOL! @how the author feels bad and guilty.there are gangsters around because of poverty not rap..lol

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  144. HOW STUPID!!!!! there are people who prefer certain types of hip hop vs rap songs. these are actually two different types of music like r and b vs pop. similar but different. so, this article makes no sense. prisons are built for racist reasons. racial profiling exist in america hence LOTs and lots of prisons.

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  145. From Europe...LOL! who waits 20 year's...this whole thing is so wack. i mean, just have a conspiracy theory like any otha nigga on the internet talking bout the gov hating on black people and black music. make mo sense dont it??

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  146. While the letter seems questionable at best, it does bring up worries or concerns that are valid. My questions would focus on whether this alleged meeting and its outcome even mattered. Was there a meaningful increase in the proportion of incarcerated people (especially in private prisons) as compared to the increase in our nations overall population? Did the percentage of black/youth inmates increase meaningfully from prior to the promotion of gangster rap? Have two generations of gangster rap fans become mindless criminal zombies?

    Our whole corrections system is jacked up; private prisons are just one of many issues that are politically and financially motivated towards promoting an increase in our prison populations. I'm just not sure its worth blaming/crediting gangster rap and music industry "decision makers" on any of this.

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  147. It doesn't surprise one bit. And I believe things like that happened many times, and still do. Nevertheless I don't understand why no names etc. can be mentioned. Why is the author afraid of such a dumb agreement? He wrote that he quit his job anyway.

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  148. Yes, gangsta rap was garbage; yes, prison industries suck.

    But posting a suspiciously unverifiable and unfalsifiable story to make the point isn't the best way to go about it.

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  149. To all who think he should give his name:Good chance he would get himself killed.He would get killed if he mentioned any names.And yes, even if he lives in Europe now.
    We all make gramatical errors now and then. That's just not an issue.
    He gave us as much about the truth without putting himself in danger for his life. All our email addresses can be easily traced,here and in Europe. The dumb agreement means everything to the people who wrote up the agreement in the first place and they take it very seriously. To break the agreement means death.
    We are talking about very intense mobsters here,not sunday school teachers.
    I stood up a little bit against corruption in NYC. It runs very deep. You just don't give names.You will die a horrible death.
    I am not an angel or saint or a great freedom fighter. Just a regular,blue-collar, working American.I saw some corruption,spoke up against it as much as I could considering my lowly blue-collar status,and I recieved death threats for it.
    I threw my tv out in the early 90's. Life is alot more peaceful since then. The mainstream media is not interested in the true interest of black America or white America. It is all divide and conquer. Music is great,but it is just not that great to ruin your life over.
    Stay away from meth,heroin,ectasy,and any kind of drug that comes along.Peace to black america and peace to white america.And everyone else.
    Throw your teevees in the dumpster America.Joe

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  150. I believe this 100%. Makes a lot of sense having been in both eras of time. Propaganda! Smh.

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  151. God Bless you!!! It doesnt matter how long it took you, let go of that guilt. What you do today, is the bravest of all, and if we can unite instead of letting the Banksters divide us by color and class, we can still save ourselves and our country. Its obvious the race & Class card, is being used the same way, for the same reasons. Peace to you brother...

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  152. The Banksters divided us.. right down to our familiy and friends of all colors, for their own agenda!!!! Question is..how many of you are brave enough stand next to eachother, no matter what color... and, STOP THE MADNESS?

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  153. This makes so much sense! Even if not literaly true, there is a greater truth put forward with it. Rap sucks ass!

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  154. UNITE AMERICA!!! BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. The media and entertainment biz.. kill their own, when they are done USING YOU!!! just to use the hype!! take care your record deal..means someday..you're worth more dead.. than alive.

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  155. Ohhhh.. CONSPIRACY... buddy, If you dont have the guts to even say the C-word, WHEN IT APPLIES TO NEARLY EVER EVIL SCAM IN THE WORLD..YOU ARE VERY NAIVE. or, because you might be RIDICULED?? Go hide in your cave sheep.. its embarrassing that some people are so brainwashed to IGNORE THE OBVIOUS!! This author, tells the truth!!

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  156. I believe this story, and I'll tell you why. This kind of thing does go on in the music industry, regardless if this particular account happened or not. Watch the documentary "Illuminati - The Music Industry Exposed" and find out what's going on right now. The film may seem outlandish at first, but I have studied the Illuminati for years, and I can tell you that not only do they exist, they do operate like this. Here's a link to the film:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iDq0Tdja4A

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  157. I was very close to 2 of the biggest upcoming Rappers in the early 90's - Use your imagination - who were the 1st 2 who rose to the top - who ruled by the gun ?> I was a Dog Trainer in the midwest - I ended up training protection work to several of these "artists" and their road crews dogs - including their road manager for the Ohio, Indiana , Kentucky circuit - all the way down to Texas - ironically all Home Guard and Personal Protection - to 18 dogs.
    I knew at the time something wasnt right - these guys were acting way outside the normal bounds of what normal "citizens" could get away with - not so much the "Artists" but all the people around them - In 1993-4 they got busted w 40 lbs of cocaine - which I was told that the FBI sold to them and protected them for 4 yrs.
    It was strange to watch these guys run around town acting like they had no care in the world and no one to answer to - and when I visited the Leader of this :group: in prison - tht's when he told me the same thing - " This is much bigger than it looks - The same guys that sold us drugs and protected us for 4 yrs were the same guys who arrested us. The FBI - the reason was to allow them to become such a large organization that when they went down - they would be facing so much time that they would plea bargain and never go to trial so this info would not get out, I met several Musicians that were just going on MTV and pushing the very first Gansta Raps at this time. I'm not saying the FbI was involved or that this is the truth - i can only tell you what I experienced. It looked like to me that whomever didnt just want the culture to change to fill the prisions but THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THE DRUGS GOT TO THEM TO MANIFEST THE CHANGE - THEN ONCE THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED - THEY SHUT THEM DOWN AND SHUT THEM UP - FREEWAY RICKY ROSS WAS MENTIONED TOO AS PART OF THIS GROUP AND THIS WAS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME THE BLACK MOSTLY BAPTIST COMMUNITY WAS HOLDING MEETINGS ACCUSING THE CIA OF SELLING CRACK - COULDNT THE PEOPLE POSING AS THE FBI TO MY OLD FRIEND HAVE REALLY BENN CIA????? I DONT BELIEVE IN COINCIDENCE - THERE IS MUCH MORE TO THIS BUT IT WOULD TAKE PAGES AND I DOUBT IT WOULD BE BELIEVED ANY WAY

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  158. anon above is right. Stop your silly notions of milk and honey. This is about much more than money.

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  159. This seems bullshit... If we're putting the turning point at 1991, then I can name many big-ticket guns-and-drugs-and-sex rappers who came out before that point. (Eazy-E, Too Short, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, 2 Live Crew, Geto Boys etc.) Stop elevating 80s rap to the highest possible pedestal, and stop shitting on gangster rap. It is very possible that while Gucci Mane sounds repetitive, he has just as important things to say and interesting rhyme constructs to put them in as did Rakim.

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  160. Courage would be putting names to faces. Anything less than that is counterfit and does little to empower a people to take action

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  161. Anyone who claims that poor/simple people aren't *heavily* influenced by movies, music and games is a liar or a fucking idiot.
    Check out this YT clip at 5'44'':
    /watch?v=RPQijYgWWMs&feature=related

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  162. You know what I find so compelling about the particular page is that the content does exactly what TPTB would want. What is that you might wonder? Well quite simply to be divided. The money changers and power mongers could give a shit less what kind of music we buy, what poisonous fast food we eat what brain damaging drugs we take. As long as we all consume, consume, consume their products, using their systems. TPTB want to be all things to everyone, this is easier if we all argue, don't get along, and act upon the lesser character traits human kind. Its really sad because these days the control of Judicial Executive power is controlled by them, and run by people that are divided from society as a whole. What we have in this country, dare I say the world is a wide variety of self policing caste systems. What individuals need to do is learn to love themselves healthfully and then learn to love their brothers and sisters... quibbling about conspiracy theories on the internet is just playing in to what TPTB want.

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  163. last night i watched the third reich(nazi germany) on the history channel...history is repeating itself... i sample many tv shows during prime-time and many display violence and ill behavior of one person to another...the theme is being rude and crude is okay...who knows what constitute happiness except...money make the world go round...it use to be, love make the world go round...now that viagra is widely available, fucking the world is easier with a perpetual hard-on...we are fucked!!!!

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  164. i can feel the dick in my ass!!!

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  165. This guy was a music decision maker in the 80s and 90s and in 1991 at a meeting was shocked that the industry wanted to promote gangsta rap? He must have been some decision maker.

    Well, N.W.A. came out with Straight Outta Compton in 1988 so this all makes so much sense... yeah 1991 record execs had a meeting and created gangsta rap when gangsta rap had been prevalent for years before. Some kid wrote that anonymous letter and didn't fact check first. Geto Boys were around, Ice-T, all kinds of gansta rap this is stupid.

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    1. Ok,what happen to all the conscious rappers then?

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  166. @Lawrence
    You are correct in what you say. I do not disagree with you.Courage is seriously lacking all the way around.One problem is:If you speak back to the mobsters they not only threaten your life,but they also threaten the lives of your relatives. They are intense and they are serious with their threats.
    I spoke up a little bit about union corruption in NYC and my life was threatened. I spoke up a little bit more after the threat, and a union f*ck handed me a piece of paper with my mother's adrress on it while smirking in my face. I walked away crying and I shut up.
    I don't have any answers really.
    We are not going to change the govt. At this point,the best thing is not to let all the hollywood/music industry/newsmedia drive you crazy.I say "you" meaning all of us. I threw my tv out soon after I dropped out of my "precious" catholic college(see my above post) and experiencing the union corruption (it was all going on around the same time).It was very clear to me that we live in a world of lies.
    The main point I want to make is that I think it's important to protect one's heart and one's mind from the media and all the lies.
    I mentioned to stay away from drugs in my last post. The CIA flooded the black neighborhoods with drugs while flooding the small,rural,white farming towns with same.
    In the meantime the media goads us on to hatred for one another,while "our" ruling class pretty much raped the country.Open borders,all the industry sent to china,flooding the country with drugs,etc.
    In the meantime, the media is now making a big stink because some shows have too many whites and other shows have too many someone else. The same media that makes a big stink about it,is the very same media that produced the show in the first place! It's all bullshit dude.It's all contrived.
    Courage also includes throwing out your tv,seeing the world for what it really is, and going out and doing some volunteer work-- for your own kind especially. Charity begins at home.And that takes a bit of courage as well.
    This white man sees black kids destroying themselves with rap(at least the more violent kind)and drugs,and I see my fellow whites destroying themselves with heavy metal and drugs.
    I just don't want to see kids destroy themselves.That's all.I grew up in the Bronx in the 60's. I saw dead kids in the Bronx alleyways with the heroin needles still stuck in their arms. It is hell. I saw dead black kids,dead white kids, and dead puerto rican kids.
    Just don't let all the media bullshit and MTV crap destroy your lives-- that's all I'm saying. Joe

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  167. I knew it! This is why I only like old school rap like Tupac, the new rap sucks, so little lyrical talent and effort put into it, it's garbage...but ya what do we do about it?

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  168. It doesn't just stop at rap music either. However, it is also sickening how artists who are incarcerated still make music that promote criminal behavior.

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  169. Did that guy seriously just say he sees white kids destroying themselves with heavy metal? Are you fucking kidding or what?

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  170. All those zippo lighters we buy here in Europe come out of that prison business, this is a well practiced organization. Here in Ireland we had a 'famine' that was actually a potatoe blight, people couldn't eat anything because all otheer food sources were exported by the english. People starved and had to go into 'workhouses' run by the english where they made things like shoes which were inturn exported and sold by the english. Its forced labour/slavery dressed up in the garb of deceit.
    This sytem is exactly the same as is being described here, it is a tactic of elite forces in the world who are beyond what we refer to as humanity.

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  171. I will share this . The story may or may not be true - but it makes a lot of sense .

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  172. @Rab
    Yes I am serious. If they are not destroying themselves with heavy metal-they are destroying themselves with something. I see them all over the San Francisco area zoned out. My argument is solid-my point is solid. Joe

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  173. There was no crime before 1991

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  174. If this story isn't true literally, It is true conceptually. Regardless, the author understands the relationship between marketing and the prison industrial complex.

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  175. Really? People keep overestimating the effects of negative music. Environmental influences are much stronger than musical influences.

    As though crime-based music is going to cause people to commit crimes. As though their neighborhoods and communities weren't already stricken with crime and poverty and influencing young people to follow that path before crime-based music became the norm in mainstream Rap.

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