Thursday, April 22, 2010

O Blogger, Where Art Thou?


I would’ve gone in on this issue a couple of days ago, but Guru’s passing put things into perspective for the time being. Byron Crawford had a great post on it, but lemme recap if you’ve been out of the loop:

Shyne called up Elliott Wilson. Wilson apparently dismissed the call and penned a write-up on Shyne. Shyne called up Eskay. Eskay heard him out and penned a write-up on Shyne. Both of these big time blog owners discussed Shyne’s post-prison music and his stubborn refusal to switch up his flow (for the better). Wilson’s article – which I enjoyed – is filled with skepticism and questions unanswered. But Eskay’s article is even more telling, not just for the content itself but rather the words that can be read in between the lines.

Titled “The Re-Education of Jamal Barrow”, Eskay’s post reads like a transliterated press release. No disrespect meant, but it’s literally the equivalent of a suave palming of a TI’s sack. Nah. Right? Again, no disrespect meant, but lines like these are mad suspect:
So the Shyne you hear now, like it or not, for better or for worse, is the Shyne we’ll be hearing from here out. You don’t have to like it, but I think you have to respect it.
Nah, son. Nobody has to respect it. You don’t either. His new shit is laughable at best (literally laughable). There’s no respect for an underachiever.
On the one hand, he wants to progress as a human being, and on the other he wants to succeed as an artist.
That’s a crock of shit because he’s doing neither of the two. A) He’s not progressing as a human being (I’m assuming that’s code for “cleaning up his act”). Last I checked, his raps were violent as ever (more so even), and if I recall correctly, he said something about being the “same ol’ Po” on one of his new tracks. B) He sure as hell won’t succeed as an artist (I’m assuming that’s code for “make money”) if he continues to sound like Lloyd Banks on muscle relaxants.
But we all know how fickle this game is. This game? It eats its young. People like what they like and if they don’t like it, they’re not trying to hear you out.
Fickle? Why is Eskay critiquing/making excuses for practices he’s applauded himself for over the years?
I think homie will be alright though, one way or another. I wish him the best.
No comment.

A year ago, Jon Stewart invited Jim Cramer onto his show. If you remember, he ethered him. Why? Because Jim Cramer didn’t speak for the people; he didn’t do his job, which was to inform investors. He parroted whatever was fed to him by his reptilian overlords. Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks took Jim Cramer to task as well. Here’s an excerpt from a great article he penned for Huffington Post, emphasis mine:
The CNBC reporters and anchors make the Bush press corps look like draconian inquisitors. They are obsessed with access. This is a problem with all of the media, and something Jon Stewart points out all the time. But it is particularly acute at CNBC (and all other business news channels).

I have a close friend who works at a business news station -- and here is the worst kept secret in show business -- it's all about the access. If you piss off the CEOs or the companies, you're going to get a call from your boss. You have jeopardized our relationship with them!

That is very thinly disguised code words for -- don't ever say anything negative about a company we cover otherwise your job is in the trouble. The message is clear -- go along to get along. This isn't journalism. It's public relations by another name.
On a much smaller, certainly less significant scale, I feel that this behavior plagues the hip hop blogosphere as well. Again, I don’t really want to single out Eskay, because it’s deeper than his one post on Shyne. But I definitely feel that as a general rule, it’s something for readers to look out for.

If Shyne ever calls me up (unlikely), I’ll greet him with a Shalom Aleichem (“Peace Be Upon You”) and wish him Mazel Tov (“Good Luck”). But I’d also give him a strong tongue lashing. And no, not that kind of tongue lashing.

33 comments:

  1. Keep it neutral Ivan. Always. Blogging was supposed to be the voice of real people, not infected by the PR machine. Let's keep it that way.

    Payola is bad enough.

    What's funny is that I read the post last night and the comments were mainly negative. Shyne doing the same content with a different voice. Didn't 10 years in the clink teach him anything?

    Also, LA Reid is a fool. Just saying.

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  2. Needed to be said, good job Ivan.

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  3. >>No disrespect meant

    Get the fuck outta here.

    So in your world it's suspect to respect a man's efforts to follow a different path after spending a decade in prison?

    Because that's what I meant, not that you have to respect the music.

    As for whether or not he's sincere about wanting to be a different person, that's not for me to judge. I will say that, in my
    opinion, just because he's still talking that street shit on his records, that doesn't necessarily mean he's full of shit, although I would agree that it's inconsistent with what he says he's trying to do.

    >>Why is Eskay critiquing/making excuses for practices he’s applauded himself for over the years?

    ^I don't know what you're trying to insinuate here, but I wasn't critiquing or making excuses for anything, I was stating a fact.

    It comes down to this: Somebody from Def Jam asked me to take a call from Shyne, and I reluctantly did. I don't generally do interviews with artists because I don't want to play the same fuck shit political games that you're accusing me of here.

    I had (what I felt was) an honest conversation with dude and then I wrote a post expressing what I took away from that conversation. I didn't even want to write the post right then, but people asked me to explain so I did. Do you think that I felt for even one second that anybody was gonna read my post and say to themselves "oh, ok, I get it now, I can respect Shyne's new flow"? Do you think I even care if folks respect Shyne's new flow? If you do, you are sorely mistaken.

    So you're basically mad at me because I didn't turn around and completely shit on dude because his new shit is wack. Because I guess that's what REAL bloggers would have done. You guys are sooo fucking edgy and anti-establishment.

    I don't know where the fuck anybody gets the idea that I cater to the labels, when this is the furthest thing from the truth. Clearly you don't pay attention to my site or Twitter stream on any kind of regular basis if you think this is the case.

    I guess I was catering to Def Jam when I wrote this post:

    http://nahright.com/news/2010/02/23/hey-la-reid-the-80s-called/

    or tweeted this: http://twitter.com/nahright/status/12081038249

    or this: http://twitter.com/nahright/status/12081739805

    ^but you don't mention that in your piece of shit post right?

    Fuck outta here fam. smh. I used to respect this site.

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  4. This is twice, at the very least, your journalist integrity has been called into question eskay (Bol being the other major instance, of course).

    One time, you could say it's due to misinterpretation - but twice? Maybe the problem isn't with what these people (Ivan and Bol) are saying - maybe the problem is _your_ actions and _your_ words.

    Also, not to put too fine a point on it, but you wrote:

    "So the Shyne you hear now, like it or not, for better or for worse, is the Shyne we’ll be hearing from here out. You don’t have to like it, but I think you have to respect it."

    If by "it," you meant to say his "efforts" (no Billy Clinton), then why did you talk about the "Shyne we hear now"? And why are you surprised that people would think that you were talking about his flow, given how the sentence was written?

    I guess this is why you stick to posting videos and mp3s, eh?

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  5. first of all, I've never made any claims that I was a journalist. As a matter of fact, I have went out of my way to say that I am not a journalist.

    second of all, I think any idiot could read that sentence and know I what I meant.

    If you misinterpreted it, that's on you.

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  6. How is someone having a convo with an artists and relaying their thoughts on said convo an example of bad journalism?

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  7. eskay, your a clown, FIRST it was the S.A.S thing, NOW its the shyne thing,

    you, nation & dre should jus give it up

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  8. i think the most telling part of this is eskay's reaction to the piece...

    letting emotion get in the way. getting angry at this post's author, now changing his view on this site as a whole and losing respect for it.... all because of what? why? because his "journalistic integrity" was called into question? come on.... i'm sorry, but that's some female shit.

    reaction's like eskay's are exactly why women don't surpass men in the business world. they let emotions get in the way. and if you're going to play with the big boys, you have to either grow a thick skin and let shit like this roll off your back and keep it moving, or address it in a way that doesn't end with "fuck you! you're a piece of shit!"

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  9. You have no idea the amount of criticism that I ignore everyday, so pardon me if when somebody publishes a post questioning my integrity, I get a little snippy. that Shyne post was an honest account of my conversation with dude. I came away from that conversation still not respecting his new style, but respecting the reasons behind it and I expressed that in my post.

    Is Shyne full of shit? There's a good chance he might be. But i'm not gonna sit through (again, what I felt was) an honest conversation with the guy and then turn around and write a post full of cynicism and hate. I have shit on Shyne in previous posts as well as on twitter, so my opinion on his new music is public knowledge. Every Shyne post that I have seen on every blog for the last week has shit on him, so what do I add to the conversation by writing another post dissing dude?

    But no, the hip-hop blogosphere can't have that. god forbid a post exists out there somewhere that just offers Shyne's side of the story without a mountain of hatred piled on top of it.And it's not even like I didn't offer my opinion on what he said. but because my opinion was devoid of hate, oh well then that makes me a tool of the music industry. I'm now on Def Jam's payroll because I agreed to take a phone call.

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  10. Fuck that, nahright is global - dudes from the UK are regulars. Never even heard of this fuck-ass site. Probably won't allow this comment to be published but give a fuck. Suck a dick.

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  11. I was going to leave this alone, but I'd like a couple things clarified:

    "But i'm not gonna sit through (again, what I felt was) an honest conversation with the guy and then turn around and write a post full of cynicism and hate."

    This statement somehow equates honesty with positivity? It's almost as though you are saying that an honest conversation can only be positive. But you can't seriously think that's the case - honest conversations can have hate, cynicism, and hell, even positivity in them. The overabundance (or lack of one) or the other - how does that change the "moral standing", for lack of a better term, of the conversation? Are you saying that if you would've written a post dissing him after the fact it would've been a "dishonest" conversation? Obviously this has become real touchy, so I just want it to be understood that I'm asking this only in the sake of clarity.

    And two:

    "god forbid a post exists out there somewhere that just offers Shyne's side of the story without a mountain of hatred piled on top of it.And it's not even like I didn't offer my opinion on what he said. but because my opinion was devoid of hate, oh well then that makes me a tool of the music industry. "

    So wait, this makes it seem like that you only said positive things because everyone else was saying negative things. Let's not even introduce the term "journalistic integrity" if you don't want to - how does that not just seem simply dishonest? You obviously made your feelings known on the fact his new style is garboso - but you make it seem like it was somehow your "obligation" to give this a positive spin to combat the negativity. And that perceived "spin" - that's why people might think you are a tool of the music industry.

    #imjustsayin

    -TJ

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  12. "It comes down to this: Somebody from Def Jam asked me to take a call from Shyne, and I reluctantly did. I don't generally do interviews with artists because I don't want to play the same fuck shit political games that you're accusing me of here."

    If you didn't want to take the call on editorial grounds then why did you take it? Lots of outlets turn down interviews all the time, so you can't blame people for thinking it's all about your advertising money when you say things like that.

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  13. LOOK OUT ESKAY, i hear Atlantic & Lyor Cohen, want you to take a call from Gucci,
    can't turn down an oppertunity like that, now can we?????

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  14. >>Are you saying that if you would've written a post dissing him after the fact it would've been a "dishonest" conversation?

    I meant that I felt he was being honest with me. Had I felt otherwise, then I would have said as much. Had he said some utter bullshit, I would have said as much. I didn't feel that was the case.

    >>but you make it seem like it was somehow your "obligation" to give this a positive spin to combat the negativity.

    well that is certainly not the case. I relayed a message and I offered my own opinion of that message. did I need to reiterate that the music was wack? does the post I wrote suggest otherwise? does the type of person who comes to my site not know that the music is wack? is my opinion about his supposed moral agenda going to influence whether or not somebody likes or dislikes the music? did the post not link back to the music in question, so that anybody reading could hear it for themselves and read our previous opinions?

    Again, it just seems like there wasn't enough hate in my post for the internets taste and that's why i'm taking flack.

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  15. eskay, u set the mood for the way alot of peeps feel about certain rappers, seems like your bitchin bout it now its bitten you in the ass!!!

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  16. Let me just say, I was expecting a "do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you" response, if anything.

    More tonight...

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  17. I dunno I guess this just didn't read to me the same way it read to you?

    To me Eskay was clearly implying with the "like it or not, for better or for worse" that he is fully aware Shyne's new releases are gar-bahge. And the "you have to respect it" was not referring to Shyne's new style (using the word loosely), but to respecting Shyne's stated desire to make changes in his life etc.

    I agree with you Shyne's explanation of that doesn't really make sense, if you want to make changes why not start with the negative content instead of the flow? And Eskay could've been a little more critical as Elliott was. But he chose instead to just pass on Shyne's message at face value and let the reader decide (IMO knowing full well readers wouldn't buy it).

    Having been in a similar position talking to artists, I think when you are on the phone with a human being who just got out of prison and is trying to get his life together, the real-life humanity of that situation will seem a lot more important than "going in on him" because I don't like his flow as much as I used to. To me Eskay, esp. in the last parts, was just trying to be respectful of the real-life human situation here, and wishing Shyne the best on it.

    And again, maybe he could have balanced it out with a little more cynicism and detachment, but I didn't feel like it was such a flagrant lapse that he didn't do so, I understood where he was coming from.

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  18. Jay Smooth for Prez re: that response. I couldn't have said it better myself. My only problem was that it didn't seem like Eskay was ready to accept the same kind of criticism. Especially when Ivan goes about it in the way that he did. Doesn't it seem like we should be ready to defend the things that we write in the same way Shine can defend his music. Yeah, right?

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  19. Once again, Jay Smooth puts in all in perspective, thank you.

    IMHO, I felt this was a non-issue, a personal post from Eskay was a breath of fresh air and didn't really matter what was being talked about.

    but Eskay, people really do take your opinion with much weight, and I can definitely believe if you wrote something (positive or negative) about an artist it would sway the opinion of some of the people reading it.

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  20. >>I think when you are on the phone with a human being who just got out of prison and is trying to get his life together, the real-life humanity of that situation will seem a lot more important than "going in on him" because I don't like his flow as much as I used to

    thanks Jay, that pretty much sums it up.

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  21. There is not much more I can add that's more eloquent than J Smooth's comment, but I'd like to point out an additional point.

    To some readers Eskay's post was clear in it's intent, context and implied opinion, while others might not have as much experience reading writing that has nuances and implied opinions. In this day and age some folks have been conditioned into thinking that everything is black-and-white and some of the media's tendency to polarize for ratings has only increased. If that's what you're used to, a post like Eskay's might indeed be confusing by way of subtlety and respect. Ivan compares Eskay to Mr. Obama in his tweet*, interestingly enough another man that speaks in nuances, and it seems like he'd rather have him be like Ms. Palin or Mr. Limbaugh instead. Always shooting first and loudly, never asking questions.

    Personally I think Eskay did the classiest thing possible in the situation. He showed humanity and respect for Shyne the person, while passing on a message from Shyne the rapper without endorsing it. And as you can see from the links provided by Eskay himself above, he's criticized Shyne the rapper plenty. If people had been paying actual attention or done some research they'd have noticed this.

    *http://twitter.com/IvanRott/status/12714920868

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  22. so lets get this clear coz im a simpleton,

    eskay passed on a message, without giving his opinion,

    and he thinks shyne is wack as a rapper right now?

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  23. bloggers are just over enthusaistic fanboys.. so we have to take everything they say with a grain of salt.

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  24. The only reason Def Jam had Shyne call Elliott Wilson and then eskay is because they were looking for positive coverage to counter the negative response to those freestyles. Elliott Wilson spotted the deception from the curb and tried to triangulate. eskay played right into it.

    If all eskay did was relay Shyne's message, i.e. that his garbage new flow is a reflection of his personal growth and maturity, that wouldn't have been an issue. But that's not what he did. He relayed Shyne's message, which was clearly BS, then he added all of this shit about how we should feel obligated to respect it, how we should feel sorry for him for having to do hard time, for shooting someone in the face, how he wishes Shyne the best of luck, etc. That's not reporting the facts and letting the reader decide - that's reporting the facts and trying to bend the reader to Def Jam's point of view.

    That shit Jay Smooth was saying about human compassion is rendered moot by the fact that Shyne wasn't speaking to eskay as a "human being who just got out of prison," but as the representative of a corporation, and a guy who just put out a song about shooting 50 Cent. This wasn't a friendly call to discuss how he could become a better person. This was a cynical attempt to take advantage of the fact that eskay doesn't have a very sophisticated understanding of the how the media works. If he did, he would have acknowledged that the purpose of the phone call was obviously to push back against the negative response to Shyne's new music. Def Jam wouldn't have minded that. Otherwise, Elliott Wilson wouldn't have done it. Ha!

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  25. I have alot of respect for every single blogger in here. Even if y'all don't get along it doesn't take away from what you bring to the table to the unbiased eye. Even this spat doesn't change that to me. I have been one of the few voices(as far as I know) who saw a corporation takeover and infiltration of the blogs a long time ago. These same labels couldn't give 2 fucks about any of you people until you became relevant. They even set up dummy blog sites to help push and promote their artists. This is nothing new and certainly nothing new for Nah Right and th eother top blogs who continue to push "Industry" agendas and backed artists no matter what overwhelming reader feedback may be. I'm angry because the blogosphere was a chance for revolution, a real chance to change things. If we all agree that the quality of HipHop is wack right now, we can change it's tone. We have more independent power right now than at any time in the history of this music.

    When the majors start this favor for a favor thing with blogs of influence it becomes dangerous. Anyone(unbiased) reading Eskays statement could feel something behind it's tone. Shyne is a musician. When musicians make resoundingly panned, horrible music and people are overwhelmingly talking, it's their job to step it up.....unaided in any kind of attempt or spin. NO ONE cares if you weren't feeling well or if you were sick that day, bottom line is shit is wack, no explanation needed. Explain after you do better work and say "hey I understand I was rusty, I'm back now". Elliot Wilson, who comes across as more of an industry shill to me, than most, really surprised me by not taking the bait and telling us why. I gained alot of respect for him off of that.

    Understand that the blogs and the top ones mostly all have some sort of former affiliation and connections somewhere along the line. You view the Cuban Revolution and see that while they were rebels on the outside looking in, it was about Revolution and "the people". As soon as they get into the party and they feel the warmth and embrace, they are less likely to want to burn the house down and change things. I'm feeling and seeing the same change with Jay Electronica. It's subtle, but his tone is slowly changing as he's being let into the house. Watch when I say this, soon he will be looking outside at the same "revolutionaries" he was once in the trenches with, and acting like he doesn't see them in the cold.

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  26. I imagine nobody will be surprised that Bol and I have differing perspectives on the role of human compassion, lol. And actually we don't totally disagree here.

    But to me, when Bol says:

    "Shyne wasn't speaking to eskay as a 'human being who just got out of prison,' but as the representative of a corporation, and a guy who just put out a song about shooting 50 Cent."

    On this point he is only half right. Shyne was ALL of those things when he called, not one or the other. Life is more complex than that. He was a human being getting out of prison and getting his life together, AND an artist doing damage control on his highly dubious product, at the behest of his label. And that's what makes it tricky, balancing each of those elements when you pass on the story.

    I agree Eskay could've erred a bit more on the side of cynicism, when he tried to strike that balance. But I also think this "he got played" stuff misreads the tone and intent of the post, and underestimates the cynicism he did convey (as Wesley said).

    And just in general, it should go without saying that there's a promotional/marketing motive behind pretty much every interaction that is arranged with every artist. Eskay didn't need a specific disclaimer about that here because the reader should've been taking it for granted in every artist interview ever.

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  27. >>then he added all of this shit about how we should feel obligated to

    respect it, how we should feel sorry for him for having to do hard time

    first off, kiss my ass Bol. I am of the opinion that if somebody fresh out of

    jail is trying to better themselves, that is something that should be

    respected. at no time did I ask anybody to, or insinuate in any way that

    anybody should, feel sorry for Shyne. you stay concocting shit to suit your

    argument.

    that post was not meant to be an unbiased news item, it was my

    impression of the conversation I had just had. Furthermore, of course I knew

    that by putting me on the phone with him, Def Jam wanted to get a message out

    there to counter the negativity. I mean, did I really need to acknowledge

    that? I also knew that me relaying what he told me wasn't going to change

    anybody's mind about the music. I mean are we seriously gonna sit here and

    act like even one person's mind was changed after reading that?

    that's why I have to chalk this up as just another chapter in the ongoing

    blogger witchhunt against me. I mean, a bunch of seemingly intelligent people have now convinced themselves that 1. I didn't know that Def Jam had an angle, and 2., that anybody's opinion has been swayed with regard to Shyne's music as a result of my post.

    If somebody read that post and said to themselves, "well, this dude's music

    still sucks, but at least now I understand why his whole style has switched up" then I can live with that.

    the fucking nitpicking you guys do is beyond exhausting. none of you were swayed by what I wrote, yet the fact that I didn't air Shyne out more than I already had is reason enough for you to call for my head. YN did air Shyne out and you're still calling him a shill. I would go insane trying to fucking live up to your ridiculous standards.

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  28. reposting because of the fucked up text:

    >>then he added all of this shit about how we should feel obligated to respect it, how we should feel sorry for him for having to do hard time

    first off, kiss my ass Bol. I am of the opinion that if somebody fresh out of jail is trying to better themselves, that is something that should be respected. at no time did I ask anybody to, or insinuate in any way that anybody should, feel sorry for Shyne. you stay concocting shit to suit your argument.

    that post was not meant to be an unbiased news item, it was my impression of the conversation I had just had. Furthermore, of course I knew that by putting me on the phone with him, Def Jam wanted to get a message out there to counter the negativity. I mean, did I really need to acknowledge that? I also knew that me relaying what he told me wasn't going to change anybody's mind about the music. I mean are we seriously gonna sit here and act like even one person's mind was changed after reading that?

    that's why I have to chalk this up as just another chapter in the ongoing blogger witchhunt against me. I mean, a bunch of seemingly intelligent people have now convinced themselves that 1. I didn't know that Def Jam had an angle, and 2., that anybody's opinion has been swayed with regard to Shyne's music as a result of my post.

    If somebody read that post and said to themselves, "well, this dude's music still sucks, but at least now I understand why his whole style has switched up" then I can live with that.

    the fucking nitpicking you guys do is beyond exhausting. none of you were swayed by what I wrote, yet the fact that I didn't air Shyne out more than I already had is reason enough for you to call for my head. YN did air Shyne out and you're still calling him a shill. I would go insane trying to fucking live up to your ridiculous standards.

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  29. oh, and just to be clear Bol: it would have been ok if I would've just typed out what Shyne told me and not offered any opinion? that wouldn't have made me a shill? had I done that, you would have been on my side?

    Get the fuck outta here.

    I'm convinced you just make this shit up as you go along.

    "oh eskay did this? well he should've did this"

    no matter what I do you're gonna find fault with it.

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  30. Respect to Eskay for coming on here and defending his post. It shows that maybe he has more belief in his convictions and opinions than some people give him credit for.

    Firstly, my comment on payola wasnt specifically directed as Eskay but bloggers in general. There are a few suspect blogs out there when it comes to favouring certain artists.

    I think what a lot of people, and me too initially, got confused by is the lack of obvious cynicism and criticism in Eskay's post. Shyne's new material is pretty wack but what galls most is the hypocrisy in Shyne's words. He gives the impression that he is a changed man, a reformed character, yet his material suggests otherwise. He continues to rap about the same stuff as before and is embarking on more tired old beef.

    People maybe misunderstood Eskay when he said " I think you have to respect it". To some that sounds like a co-sign or endorsement of Shyne's words when that is now seemingly not the case. Like others have already said, when words are written on a blog it can seem very black and white. Eskay's lack of overt criticism gave some the impression that he was going along with the whole charade.

    I dont think nuance and subtlety work well on blogs. People dont catch it. Unless someone is very obvious in their criticism of something then observers dont acknowledge it.

    As for the volume of criticism towards Eskay, it just seems like a gradual build up of things to me. Reading the Nah Right comments regularly, the crew get a lot of hate from everywhere. Its the nature of the game unfortunately. Nah Right is at the top of the blog game so jealousy rears its head, fans of wack rappers get pissed off by lack of coverage etc.

    The Shyne post just tipped things over the edge for a lot of people I think. A situation where people can easily point the finger and say 'Look, Eskay is favouring Shyne/Def Jam'. It seemed like a confirmation of people's suspicions.

    I dont think Ivan was being overly negative for the sake of it. He was just calling out what he thought was a case of Eskay going along with Shyne's hypocrisy and Def Jam's PR crap. I also think that maybe Eskay's reaction is a little excessive. Maybe its because he has to deal with constant criticism like he says.

    I posted "Blogging was supposed to be the voice of real people, not infected by the PR machine. Let's keep it that way."

    As long as thats the case then cool. If Eskay says he's not just being a part of the PR machine then cool. I dont think Ivan was wrong in questioning it though. Thats the nature of blogging.

    Lastly, I wouldnt give too much respect to the opinion of Elliott Wilson. He's been in the game for a minute and he's mostly right in this case. However he has shown a few times that he's capable of irrational hate, criticism, and the favouring of certain artists/labels.

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  31. Also.

    'eskay, your a clown, FIRST it was the S.A.S thing, NOW its the shyne thing'

    Please. Im in the UK. Nobody gives a fuck about SAS or the other grime stuff in the UK, let alone a US-based blog. The only UK 'rappers' who have success are the ones who've sold out to the pop crowd. SAS? Shit and shitter, mate.

    These blogs really should be posting Chipmunk. Tinie and Dizzee tracks right? Fuck outta here...

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  32. I've just published a new article on this matter:

    http://www.hiphopisread.com/2010/04/its-soliloquy-of-chaos.html

    I'm closing the comment section on this post. If you care to continue the conversation, please do so right here:

    http://www.hiphopisread.com/2010/04/its-soliloquy-of-chaos.html#comments

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