tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post3829523119095038337..comments2023-12-22T03:13:58.639-08:00Comments on Hip Hop Is Read: Evaluating Weiss’ Top 50 List(s): Hip Hop In Decline?Ivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11660266149449276033noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-32198166143600797542012-12-04T07:20:16.621-08:002012-12-04T07:20:16.621-08:00Rap and hip hop beats are very much in demand by t...<br />Rap and hip hop beats are very much in demand by the young people nowadays. The young generation of today's era love to burn the dance floor with such beats. These beats are very much versatile in nature just like the rap beats. The rap and hip hop tracks are very much popular all over the world because these beats have been developed from the hip culture, which has lots of bass and treble<br /><br /><a href="www.kingkongbeatz.com" rel="nofollow">hip hop beats</a><br /><a href="www.kingkongbeatz.com" rel="nofollow">beats</a><br /><a href="www.kingkongbeatz.com" rel="nofollow">custom beats</a><br /><a href="www.kingkongbeatz.com" rel="nofollow">trap beats</a><br /><a href="www.kingkongbeatz.com" rel="nofollow">rap and hip hop beats</a><br /><a href="www.kingkongbeatz.com" rel="nofollow">hip hop tracks</a><br /><a href="www.kingkongbeatz.com" rel="nofollow">beats for sale</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03895001283549603544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-82607834409816831892009-08-25T14:43:02.104-07:002009-08-25T14:43:02.104-07:00I like your style Ivan, keep this shit up!I like your style Ivan, keep this shit up!Ozzie O.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16007827357313647763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-54537816981118307132009-08-23T17:52:28.638-07:002009-08-23T17:52:28.638-07:00your methodology is not perfect but it's hard ...your methodology is not perfect but it's hard to argue with that last graphJeremynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-42110788229496326762009-08-18T16:01:03.787-07:002009-08-18T16:01:03.787-07:00So in conclusion, your stuff is shit and my shit i...So in conclusion, your stuff is shit and my shit is stuff! Word to G.Carlin!Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11660266149449276033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-60333113930284772582009-08-18T16:00:20.142-07:002009-08-18T16:00:20.142-07:00^ Apparently you didn't read this:
"Even...^ Apparently you didn't read this:<br /><br />"Even if you were to A) remove all votes for albums from 1999, and B) double the votes for 2009 (being generous, since 2009 is roughly only halfway through), we’d still be facing an 875 to 698 “win” for the first half of the decade. That’s a still-significant 20.23% slide."Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11660266149449276033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-60349599865814500512009-08-18T15:33:56.688-07:002009-08-18T15:33:56.688-07:00This stuff is bad research and bad math.
1) The o...This stuff is bad research and bad math. <br />1) The only reason the "quality" decreased was because the guy put 1999 and 2000 together, making its "quality" seem higher than it actually was.<br />2) What hip hop reviewers consider good is not necessarily an indication of hip hop's health.<br />3) 2009 seems to go down only because the year isn't over yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-35225216441109509452009-08-17T11:09:55.768-07:002009-08-17T11:09:55.768-07:00Damn that's a lotta work, but well-done I!
BT...Damn that's a lotta work, but well-done I!<br /><br />BTW PR & CL FTW!Dom Corleonehttp://holdthethrone.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-2257376868586252312009-08-17T05:39:02.950-07:002009-08-17T05:39:02.950-07:00Drop science on em dude, nicely done.
-TJDrop science on em dude, nicely done.<br /><br />-TJTheotis Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-7072242927243556552009-08-15T14:32:08.725-07:002009-08-15T14:32:08.725-07:00What a great post!!! You make some great points a...What a great post!!! You make some great points and definitely interesting read for the masses to consume (it is good for yous health like a can of nutriments @ Phife)John Qhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11106082091054584514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-88612477437667238662009-08-15T11:35:27.791-07:002009-08-15T11:35:27.791-07:00"What are you gonna do about it?"
Until..."What are you gonna do about it?"<br /><br />Until KanYe releases another instrumental project, I'll create my own style of hip hop tracks...<br /><br />e.g.,<br /><br />Dr. Dre, Steely Dan, Ali Shaheed Muhammad & Q-Tip- 2 Hard Muthas Got What News [BOP mix] (2009) [link in name]soulguruhttp://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=e77889c5abfb0aae391d7d881749d3a7e04e75f6e8ebb871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-50171897601928120192009-08-15T11:08:08.596-07:002009-08-15T11:08:08.596-07:00Respect rap nerds everytimeRespect rap nerds everytimedphttp://www.dallaspenn.com/weblognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-47851339209145096002009-08-15T10:58:34.242-07:002009-08-15T10:58:34.242-07:00Jonathan: I see your point, but it's worth not...Jonathan: I see your point, but it's worth noting that a lot of people (really, a LOT) included obscure or otherwise not-so-well-known mixtapes and other releases on their list, most of which were recent or fell into the decade half two category. Blame it on short-term memory or the simple fact that these newer albums are still on heavy rotation, this MIGHT be enough to refute your counterpoint.<br /><br />Sach O (and all who responded to his comment): Yep, you're probably right about that. But then again, when we look at the history of film making, there's a "golden era" (and so on...) which is pretty much universally accepted as a specific time span. Not so much in hip hop. Maybe in a few years...?<br /><br />Thanks for all the feedback, guys!Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11660266149449276033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-56234761123548958842009-08-15T09:30:09.162-07:002009-08-15T09:30:09.162-07:00To quote Tony Soprano "It's good to be in...To quote Tony Soprano "It's good to be in something from the ground floor. I came too late for that, I know. But lately I'm getting the feeling that I came in at the end. The best is over" That's how I sometimes feel about hip-hop.<br /><br />Hope came in the form of a black president and hard financial times (in which hopefully peoples materialstic bullshit values changed in common mode values) but as of yet, no renaissance has occured...<br /><br />But here's the deal, hip-hop is still alive, overall there is still quality music been moved , it just not rife in the mainstream, that's what happens when hip-hop becomes the new rock when record labels push that shit (and pimp your culture) it's like a production line and saturation occurs, {side note, smh at the south (and I'm not talking about Bun B or killa mike) sorry just felt like i had to say something, there is some poor music coming out from that region) <br /><br />"east gave brith to it, the west made it gangster and the south killed it"<br /><br />My point is, hip-hop isn't dead, hell it hasn't even declined, it just become main stream. <br /><br />Whinston Churchill - "The best argument again democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter"<br /><br />In hip-hop that translates to lisiting to 5-mintes of Hot-97/Z100/BET<br /><br />My advice is, spend the time listening/supporting good quality music (as you ivan clearly did while compiling this post).<br /><br />At the end of that day, that is all you can do<br /><br /><br />also Ivan man, ya gotta start running some mad venn diagrams on peepz, hit em with the what's hot and not graphicaly!<br /><br />-PEACEMoosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-61238398297161503222009-08-15T07:57:51.350-07:002009-08-15T07:57:51.350-07:00This was interesting, and I appreciate the effort ...This was interesting, and I appreciate the effort you put in -- you should have hit me up and I would have sent you the spreadsheet I used to calculate the results.<br /><br />I disagree with your conclusion though. I think it's only natural that consensus solidifies over time. Our voters considered that there were many albums worth voting for from recent years (your "quantity" chart), but they only came to an agreement over which ones with the benefit of time.<br /><br />Hip-hop is as strong as ever. It ain't going anywhere.<br /><br />And I will say, even though I didn't vote for Rich Boy, if we had done a songs list, "Let's Get This Paper" would definitely have been in there. ("Crank Dat Soulja Boy" probably would have too.)Jonathanhttp://screwrock.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-13329043590578133722009-08-15T07:53:43.864-07:002009-08-15T07:53:43.864-07:00I think I will always look fondly on the Blueprint...I think I will always look fondly on the Blueprint-era. Nothing will match that because that was MY time.<br /><br />Even though quality is undeniably declining, I reckon I still wouldnt love anything else as much.<br /><br />From Chronic to Blueprint, all these records are now in the Hip-Hop museum safe from criticism, and always in our hearts.<br /><br />The new shit will never match up because music is ever changing. A lot of younger cats probably love the new shit and look down on 'the classics'.<br /><br />We had lames like Hammer, Lil Jon, Puffy, Nelly?.....but they were 'our' lames so they're not as wack as Soulja Boy Fuck 'Em and Flo-rida.<br /><br />That said, even just in terms of flow and lyrics, you can still compare quality from different eras. Every era has its BS but the top rap music from now isnt in the same league as the classics from even 6-7 years ago.<br /><br />Ivan hits the nail on his head. <br /><br />The 4-eyed, Jewish Geek! Im playing......cos you're the guy who will end up richer than all of us!Funk Dochttp://www.donthatemecosimugly.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-66668597535259013952009-08-15T07:17:11.816-07:002009-08-15T07:17:11.816-07:00i'm with sach o...no matter when u do this, pe...i'm with sach o...no matter when u do this, people will pick the stuff that came out longer ago, not because it's 'better', but because they know it better. and then, i know i find stuff from 2003 that i didnt hear then that changes my top 10 year lists sometimes (well obviously i do not make up a majority, most people stick to what they know), but that has to count for something.Small Prohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14259548683313557020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-69052187554362414862009-08-15T06:59:08.427-07:002009-08-15T06:59:08.427-07:00Man, this is some serious work. Nicely done, Ivan....Man, this is some serious work. Nicely done, Ivan.<br />I wouldn't be able to pinpoint a specific year where shit was bad; hell, 2005 was when I started to listen to hip-hop seriously. <br />I think if we did this list in another two decades that the second half of the 00s would get a little more love.AaronMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442946068605610643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-62649657782248664822009-08-15T06:27:26.778-07:002009-08-15T06:27:26.778-07:00Interesting piece and I think you make a valid poi...Interesting piece and I think you make a valid point. To play devil's advocate though (because playing devil's advocate is fun), I think there's more than just a decline in quality at play, more specifically what I like to call "critical creep".<br /><br />I remember a few years ago when you'd ask Hip-Hop fans for a specific year when rap "fell off" they'd name 97 as the tipping point when Hip-Hop went from a pure unmolested art form to an evil shiny suited blingy commercial monster. And older heads were actually likely to pick an even earlier year. Today, that argument sounds nuts (Camp Lo! CNN! Wu-Tang! Biggie! etc...) but that's what it was. Then people slowly warmed up to 98 (Outkast! Jay! Lauryn!) and so on and so on.<br /><br />My point is that as time moves on, people get more nostalgic for the music of bygone years and begin to reappraise it in a softer focus. I’m pretty sure if (when?) we try this experiment again in a few years the results won’t tip so strongly towards the beginning of the decade as people begin to reevaluate the records they were bumping a few years later. The same way it’s hard to stay mad at Puffy 12 years after the shiny suit era, our anger for Lil Jon (and subsequently, Souljah Boy) will fade in time.<br /><br />(Although on the real? There are a couple of rotten years if you aks me)Sach Ohttp://www.passionweiss.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-81507849478557417752009-08-15T02:52:40.244-07:002009-08-15T02:52:40.244-07:00looks like something I would do back in the days, ...looks like something I would do back in the days, nuff props!!!twc02http://www.google.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-17989917934092254802009-08-15T02:44:20.686-07:002009-08-15T02:44:20.686-07:00At last someone's done the geeky stuff so peop...At last someone's done the geeky stuff so people can visualize things a lot easier. The problem is there's too much major label filler (Shit!). All the labels are worried about is sales. It seems that when a label emerges and makes quality music which they and the artists really seem to care about (In my opinion, one example being Rawkus), they eventually fold or get taken over by a major label and never seem to reach the same quality again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-36552523825061703562009-08-14T23:44:33.924-07:002009-08-14T23:44:33.924-07:00I just read it...........i'm gonna read it aga...I just read it...........i'm gonna read it again tomorrow because i didn't comprehend shit. lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-55464054017240438942009-08-14T23:19:11.018-07:002009-08-14T23:19:11.018-07:00Daaaaaaaaaaaamn! You geeked out on this one! Props...Daaaaaaaaaaaamn! You geeked out on this one! Props!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com