tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post8848488635880736850..comments2023-12-22T03:13:58.639-08:00Comments on Hip Hop Is Read: 'Can Ya Dig It'? ... No, Seriously: Can You?Ivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11660266149449276033noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-36927545091682009922011-03-14T16:37:21.190-07:002011-03-14T16:37:21.190-07:00BUT what the producer says goes!! and if R says no...BUT what the producer says goes!! and if R says no more of this, then no more of this...maybe I see their point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-88376662725217203092011-03-14T16:35:12.276-07:002011-03-14T16:35:12.276-07:00If you think Madlib got a sample you are sadly mis...If you think Madlib got a sample you are sadly mistaken...we couldnt get much of a beat going...but with "R" It's all about the rythym and the fab collab...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-49758575792874215022010-11-07T05:38:57.959-08:002010-11-07T05:38:57.959-08:00Really enjoyed your article man - some interesting...Really enjoyed your article man - some interesting points raised....and in response to the previous comment of 'anonymous':<br />"THINK MADLIB EVEN KNOWS WHERE MIDDLE C IS ON THE PIANO?!!"....ummmm, yes i would imagine after making more than 10 actuall jazz albums he has little problem with locating middle C!<br /><br />I think part of the problem with "old school" and "new school" is that the way people dig record and make music has changed. Most old school cats still dig in the physical world on a regular basis and draw their knowledge of music/breaks from years of buying records and scouring through liner notes & musician credits. For the newer hip hop converts, 20+ years of digging knowledge is available via a google search. Whether you take this as a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion: essentially it comes down to whether you believe that digging records should be a trial & error rite of passage, or that all the information should be presented openly for all newcomers to learn from.....to be completely honest, i still haven't made my mind up on which i believe after 10+ years of digging breaks!<br /><br />I think the comment that 90% of classic Hip Hop records wouldn't have been made if sample clearance laws had been observed is a fairly valid one. The Madvillainy album is a good example of this: clearance of all samples on that record would have meant that Stones Throw (& Madlib) made a loss no matter how many albums they sold.....I do believe though, that if you release a record without clearing samples then you should understand the implications of doing this. Most well known Hip Hop artists face at least one sample based lawsuit in their careers.<br /><br />I think your agreement to not release underground sample sets is an honourable one. Up & coming artists need as much support as they can get, especially with the state of the industry nowadays!<br /><br />Much Respect<br /><br />RRisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870518005891688361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-91615244652219159542010-02-18T09:49:45.670-08:002010-02-18T09:49:45.670-08:00Great article.Love your Blog.
"You go out- li...Great article.Love your Blog.<br />"You go out- listen to a bunch of records, hear something you like that nobody else knows (you hope), loop it and add a beat (and try and mask it so someone can't tell whether it's sample or original)- then take all the credit. Hiphop 101 for FREE."<br />Now that's ridiculous and the dude that said that should kill himself.Seriously.<br />one thing that revealing the samples does is showing people that hip hop production is not a simple thing.<br />i don't like to hate on other genres ,but are the laws the same when it concerns song covers?i really don't think so.<br />sorry for my english.<br />Hip Hop WorldWide,<br />One World Under A GrooveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-21698507834387105032009-11-23T05:57:40.325-08:002009-11-23T05:57:40.325-08:00Great aticle and great work. Regarding artists who...Great aticle and great work. Regarding artists who steal samples,"If you don't want to pay write your own". NOW THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS..THINK MADLIB<br />EVEN KNOWS WHERE MIDDLE C IS ON THE PIANO?!!.<br /><br />Madlib, Pete Rock, Large Pro,etc., why pay when you can steal and have the record execs pay <br />their fxxking lawyers when the real artists come and wants some compensation?<br /> DAH!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-2326586295722361162009-09-09T05:01:39.166-07:002009-09-09T05:01:39.166-07:00T SKI LOVE ..DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH
SO THEN YOU...T SKI LOVE ..DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH<br /><br />SO THEN YOU WOULD SUPPORT SOMEONE COMING UP IN YOUR<br />CRIB RIGHT NOW ,LIFT UR COMPUTER,AND TALK ABOUT SORRY HOMEZ BUT ALL PROPERTY IS THEFT WHERE WOULD YOUR MOTTO U LIVED BY BE THEN<br />CATS NEED TO CUT THE BULL SHIT AND TALK STRAIGHT.<br /><br />BZR WON !<br />YOU REALLY ARE A SUPERSIZED DELUX MODEL BITCH FOR PUBLISHING THAT BULL SHIT ABOUT MADLIB NEEDING TO BE THANKFUL TO YOUR BITCH ASS.<br /><br />TELL WHAT MADLIB NEED TO BE THANKFUL TO:<br /><br />LOOTPACK...LORD QUAS... BEAT KONDUCTA ....MADVILLIAN,<br />JAYLIB....YESTERDAYS NEW QUINTET...COUNTLESS PRODUCTIONS AND REMIXED...<br /><br />AND HERE COMES ANOTHER MADLIB INVASION !OJ SIMPSON!<br />HOT SHIT THAT MO FOES LIKE YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD FOR FREE BITCH!!<br /><br />ALL CAPS WHEN U SPELL THE MAN NAMEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-77624777879740730532009-08-26T07:43:48.682-07:002009-08-26T07:43:48.682-07:00As an anarchist,I go by the motto "Property i...As an anarchist,I go by the motto "Property is theft",but is unknown stolen property now regarded as sacrosanct?Some instant "I didn't get caught" statute of limitations?Anyway,what I really wanna know is the sample used on Ame's Shining Back Dilla sample blend,at 33:55,bongo backbeat,lyrics go "You will find,your still a friend of mine..."-Anyone?TSkiLovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-4436701310443624262009-08-19T19:15:59.489-07:002009-08-19T19:15:59.489-07:00You must understand that I dismissed your whole &q...You must understand that I dismissed your whole "I know some guy who sold 300 copies that got sued thanks to your site and sites like it" argument right from the get-go 'cause that's some lame bullshit. I've already expressed in a previous post that new underground albums are out of the question from now on...<br /><br />Your stance has been hashed over for months, nay, years... I hear you. But I'm not "harming" anything or anyone.<br /><br />Again, let me state this: underground albums don't get the sample set treatment AND I don't post Google-able tracklistings for the ones that do. I'm the most accommodating of any sample set compiler (no shots) when it comes to this shit, so you're barking up the wrong tree...Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11660266149449276033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-24358510199661602762009-08-19T18:22:08.556-07:002009-08-19T18:22:08.556-07:00That entire post and that one sentence is all you ...That entire post and that one sentence is all you can argue? The "300 copies" is just an example of how ANYONE can get touched, so logic would tell you the SHIT YOU COVER, which sells MORE, is COMPLETELY FAIR GAME.<br /><br />You: "I only cover shit that is MORE LIKELY to get sued."<br /><br />FOH.<br /><br />So, again, if you love it, why harm it? <br /><br /> Why won't you just answer the question without hyperbole and straw man arguments?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-53896085647921226152009-08-19T08:09:50.660-07:002009-08-19T08:09:50.660-07:00I've nevr made a sample set for an album which...I've nevr made a sample set for an album which only sold 300 copies, so... if my argument was the "dumbest", yours is the "dumber-est".Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11660266149449276033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-26789039005732815442009-08-19T01:56:45.232-07:002009-08-19T01:56:45.232-07:00This is the dumbest argument I've ever seen. ...This is the dumbest argument I've ever seen. <br /><br />If you LOVE sample based rap enough to spend your time compiling sample sets and creating blogs about it, why would you contribute to ensuring good sampling producers can no longer ply their art by creating more avenues for them to be sued? <br /><br />These publishing houses DO come to these very websites to find people to litigate. THIS IS FACT. I know artists who have been served papers for albums that sold as little as 300 copies due to information given on these very websites. Google is a motherfucker.<br /><br />Its like saying you LOVE weed so in the spirit of sharing your love, you start a blog called "Weed Dealers" and list the Top 20 herb slangers in any given city, complete with address, phone numbers and strains.<br /><br />Then you complain when the only thing to smoke is stress cus everyone is locked up.<br /><br />I just don't understand it. <br /><br />Yeah, it is an ILLEGAL ART...but if you love it, why create problems for the artists that make what you claim to enjoy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-79089851390074664092009-08-10T23:41:37.050-07:002009-08-10T23:41:37.050-07:00Bottom line is, they are using samples that aren&#...Bottom line is, they are using samples that aren't theirs to begin with, on many occasion, like Stones Throw do so well, they don't even credit the original source or pay royalties to them, then have the hypocritical nerve to tell others to take down "their material". Thieves stealing from thieves is it? Lol what a laughable scenario this is, it's almost like stealing crack from a junkie, then the junkie telling the cops, regardless of the way you look at it, it's illegal in any sense.<br />If any thing blogs increase sales of their material:<br />"NYU Stern professor Vasant Dhar and former student Elaine Chang sampled 108 albums released between January and March of 2007 to determine the impact of blog chatter on record sales. Using Amazon.com sales rankings, albums were tracked four weeks before and four weeks after release. Researchers found that when an album got mention in more than 40 legitimate blog posts, sales were three times the average. If those albums were associated with major labels, sales jumped five times the average. Albums that got more than 250 blog mentions saw sales increases of six times the average."<br /><br />Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com<br /><br />Maybe they should thank us for all the free promotion?bzrwonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08534869317405880049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-15138885234344139972009-06-25T03:55:38.959-07:002009-06-25T03:55:38.959-07:00DAMN!!
BASICALLY U CATS R FORGETTING THE BASIC 1N...DAMN!!<br /><br />BASICALLY U CATS R FORGETTING THE BASIC 1N HERE<br />RESPECTING THE ARTISTS WISHES!!!<br />IF U FREELOADING FOOLS GET PISSED OF BECAUSE MADLIB<br />SAID TAKE HIS ISH DOWN,THEN IT'S A SAD DAY FOR HIPHOP<br />WHERE THE FAN THINK THEY CAN DICTATE WHAT THE ARTIST <br />SHOULD OR SHOULDNT DO.BE REAL<br />A PROLIFIC CAT LIKE MADLIB BEEN FEEDING U FOR A MINIT<br />WITH HIS EXELLENT PRODUCTION. IF HE WANTS 2 PROTECT<br />HIS SOURCES FROM BITING ASS MO FO'S THEN THAT'S<br />HIS PEROGATIVE. REGARDLESS OF WHAT U CATS THINK.<br />STOP TRYING 2 REWRITE THE HIPHOP RULE BOOK WITH<br />BULL SHIT,BECAUSE REALLY ITS BULL SHIT.<br />HOW MANY OF U CATS JUST GET UR MUSIC FOR FREE ON THIS<br />SAME INTERNET AND AINT PUTTING A DIME IN THE ARTISTS<br />POCKET,AND U WANT 2 TURN ROUND AND CUSS THE 1N THAT<br />U PUTTING OUT OF BUISNESS!!<br /> U R NOT FANS OF MADLIB U R HATERS...<br />BECAUSE U DON'T LIKE WHEN U GET TICKED OFF FOR DICK RIDING<br />STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN!!!<br />PLEASE LET THIS THREAD DIE FOR EVER!!!! <br />ALL CAPS WHEN U SPELL THE MAN NAMEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-13790090288902768912009-04-28T07:16:00.000-07:002009-04-28T07:16:00.000-07:00^ You got it right, homie. Stones Throw is on some...^ You got it right, homie. Stones Throw is on some other shit. It's hard to take them seriously...Ivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11660266149449276033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-90501477697718752542009-04-27T23:00:00.000-07:002009-04-27T23:00:00.000-07:00is HipHop about control or creativity...if we wann...is HipHop about control or creativity...if we wanna have this debate come to any conclusion, that is the question we need to answer.<br />If its about creativity, Madlib & Preemo are in line wit me and I feel that u can get somebody in trouble legally and/or just destroy the nuances of a producer's mystique by clearly leading a person to their reservoir.<br />Now, I'ma end this by saying I just put out a Madlib tribute CD after Termanology did "If Heaven Was..." in honor of Dilla. My mixtape is called Madincinal Libationz, and is available here:<br />http://www.planeturban.com.au/download_mixtapes/dub_md_and_cyrano_present_madicinal_libationz<br /><br />Please answer me, why would Madlib's internet manager support the systematic deleting of all download links to my FREE mixtape because we "used Madlib's music" when me & DubMD specifically made this a free download PURELY for creativity's sake?!?? <br /><br />H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S<br /><br />FUK EM ALL...I'MA GET MINE BY HOOK OR BY CROOK<br /><br />ONELUV<br />CYCyranohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11545789205357816204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-39961314803599637612008-03-29T07:41:00.000-07:002008-03-29T07:41:00.000-07:00this guys an idiot...first of all you want to deba...this guys an idiot...first of all you want to debate with premo..do it like a man and not on some blog haha<BR/><BR/>2nd of all...this didnt' need a 5 page essay to figure out what premo was saying...your just a moron with too much time on your hands...haha<BR/><BR/>producers like premo don't want poeple to know what samples they are using..b/c it's their craft...true produceers they dig to find some obscure shit flip it and try to make it unrecognizble....don't you ask yourself "why?"<BR/><BR/>a fucking database programmer isn't going to tell you how to use a program like SQL...then he won't make any money.<BR/><BR/>yout forget these mother fuckers don't come from the suburbs like your cracka ass...they come from the innercities...poverty<BR/><BR/>paying mother fuckers b/c they scratched a name on a record? or using a drum line...shits stupid as hell...and it shows how greedy America is.<BR/><BR/>Plus the fact it's an artform for them.. leaving peoples head buzzing like "damn thats a cold beat right there"....they don't want people trying to take it and then copy them....like what most producers do nowadays...b/c of faggots like you.<BR/><BR/>you can talk about all this theft stuff you want...but you must forget that your only a listener and fan...yet you want to complain?<BR/><BR/>GET YOUR BITCH ASS OUT OF HERE!<BR/><BR/>you faggots are the ones that are really killing hip-hop...shoot yourselfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-80628754514126543802008-03-25T22:00:00.000-07:002008-03-25T22:00:00.000-07:00just to address the liner notes point....the sampl...just to address the liner notes point....the samples included in liner notes are the ones they paid for, the ones that aren't...they didn't pay for...there is your reason for selective liner note samplesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-54543613293427679042008-03-21T12:38:00.000-07:002008-03-21T12:38:00.000-07:00Wow, talk about short-sighted viewpoints. This opi...<I>Wow, talk about short-sighted viewpoints. This opinion is completely antithetical to the anti-establishment movement that is Hip-Hop.</I><BR/><BR/>how so? DJs like Herc would 'wash' the labels off their records, just so rival DJs couldn't thumb through their crates or eye their decks while they spun, and then use the same breaks -- THAT's hip-hop, in my opinion<BR/><BR/>*wack analogy alert*<BR/>if there's a chef that makes all your favorite dishes, would you broadcast his or her recipes all over town? especially knowing that if the secret recipes got out, they could get shut down, but no one else knew how to properly use the ingredients even if everyone knew what they were? If you would, ok, fine...it's not your fault they used those ingredients, but when they're not around anymore, you can't complain about not being fed properly<BR/><BR/>again, the question is, whose side are u on? i think we all can agree -- no matter what your opinion is about sampling's artistic integrity -- that it generally doesn't benefit artists (financially or otherwise) to have their sources revealed, and most of them hate when it happens (i.e., Madlib, Premo, Diamond)<BR/><BR/>bottom line: even though people are well within their rights to post sample sources on the net, it hurts the artists, plain and simple.<BR/><BR/>if we're gonna have this sense of entitlement of what we can and should be able to post, then let's be real about the consequences of what we post...if we're gonna complain about 'ringtone rap' and keyboard-based beats ruling the airwaves, we have to acknowledge the part we as fans have played in driving the good producers away<BR/><BR/>helping to put more money in the pocket of some white-collar crook who jerked George Clinton's publishing from him 30 years ago? nothing about that says 'anti-establishment' to me<BR/><BR/>i'm still on the fence concerning this issue, so i'm inclined to agree with you if your argument is solid enough, i'm just not sure where you're coming from thoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-37596760711623692472008-03-21T04:02:00.000-07:002008-03-21T04:02:00.000-07:00madlib - the cratesseen it? i have. plenty.madlib - the crates<BR/><BR/>seen it? i have. plenty.Jorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16317390042527136049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-70046406468910486692008-03-21T02:08:00.000-07:002008-03-21T02:08:00.000-07:00so with all of that said, u gotta ask yourself: wh...<I>so with all of that said, u gotta ask yourself: whose side are you on? it may not be the fault of the bloggers or the-breaks when artists get sued, but what they're doing isn't helping... the ironic part? most of the people who frequent these sites and post the material call themselves fans of these artists...i don't think the fans are purposely malevolent or mean to hamper their favorite producers, they just wanna unearth and listen to a hot break used in one of the classics -- which is shortsighted and selfish of the fans (myself included), in my opinion</I><BR/><BR/>Wow, talk about short-sighted viewpoints. This opinion is completely antithetical to the anti-establishment movement that is Hip-Hop.<BR/><BR/>Ivan, I respect your decision in regard to sample sets for underground artists, but don't let internet knuckleheads dissuade you from doin' your thing.monedahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188737134662387366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-71916371157702063522008-03-21T00:21:00.000-07:002008-03-21T00:21:00.000-07:00Producers need to start paying homage to the artis...Producers need to start paying homage to the artists they sample. They didn't play the horn, keyboard/piano, flute, drums, or any of the instruments the originals did. They didn't have computers and all of that crap. So they need to show love. If you're scared of being sued you better get on some whack ass Neptunes shit and not sample. Otherwise embrace this.Jonathan Sheppardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04591009203448330976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-14610964855128385172008-03-20T18:41:00.000-07:002008-03-20T18:41:00.000-07:00#6: If I'm a snitch, then that must make you a thi...#6: If I'm a snitch, then that must make you a thief. Otherwise, what 'crime' would I be 'snitching' about?<BR/>==============<BR/>As the average innernut would say...<BR/><BR/>"whomp whomp"<BR/><BR/>lol<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what the stink could be about. I know art isn't always about money; sometimes it's about creating something for the world to see. Once you do that, you have to know that people are going to ask you a million questions and want to know your inspirations, sources, etc. They'll want to dissect it. It's natural curiosity. <BR/><BR/>Good artists keep expanding & building well after that so that by the time people figure out one masterpiece, the master is off to create the next.Gotty™https://www.blogger.com/profile/01369314623737390945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-23562243074828992002008-03-20T18:20:00.000-07:002008-03-20T18:20:00.000-07:00of course we know they (ok, we) as producers/beatm...of course we know they (ok, we) as producers/beatmakers who sample are stealing other cats' shit. even when/if it's cleared, WE know it's still their song. if we wouldn't have heard that break, our song would not exist. it is what it is. and i think a lot of cats choose to forget that. you stole their shit, man! if you get caught, you get caught. the original songwriter(s) did not make 2 or 3 pressings of that record, give it to you, ivan or kevin or whoever came to your crib, ran thru your records, and posted them on their page. and it's not like there isn't a person out there who can listen to these hip hop records and they'll know what they sampled. i mean, damn, they have companies that specialize in catching these cats. but the thing about it is that's what makes hip hop so beautiful. hip hop was built on breaks, then looping. then cats started getting sued, so we started sampling. then cats started really bogging down on what's being chopped so we started "keyboard beats". then we went back to sampling. then we started replaying samples. we're always evolving. and i don't think they really care about being exposed because of people knowing what was sampled, thus taking away from the mystery. good producers will always flip it on you, evolve and come up with another trick for the masses to salivate over (shout outs to jay dee). it's a simple matter of what i stated earlier. you stole their shit! my point is telling these cats to stop posting sample sets will not change the fact that you stole someone else's shit and are afraid of getting caught. admit what it is. it has nothing to do with hip hop. at all. now, if it's REALLY that important to you, will you evolve on some pink panther shit, or will i see you on the next episode of "world's dumbest criminals"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-38152015634461517752008-03-20T09:33:00.000-07:002008-03-20T09:33:00.000-07:00Thanks for this Great Column, Ivan. I hope, throug...Thanks for this Great Column, Ivan. I hope, through your explanation, that people understand where we are coming from and our reasons for these sample sets.John Qhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11106082091054584514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3790021311115201711.post-57524290644896318852008-03-20T08:50:00.000-07:002008-03-20T08:50:00.000-07:00I thought this was an excellent and well-considere...I thought this was an excellent and well-considered round-up of the situation: nice one.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/><BR/>DanDLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12078238511740402241noreply@blogger.com